New topic about druid saplings.

I will attempt to copy posts here, not sure if the forums allow that or not though.

Nope, not possible.




As far as I know, every change made to faethorn, except for the ones explicity posted about otherwise, had RP and IC conversations between various npcs, pcs, gods etc, before the changes went in.

Some of the major changes that were posted about in large OOC posts, obviously don't fit this, but from my view, from what I have heard from members of Serenwilde and Glomdoring, each change had RP behind it. A lot of it, as far as I know, was done in secret.

Things that shift so much so often are not fun, and I don't care if you have a foolproof explanation for each change, it's just silly after a bit.

At least Faethorn had those explanations, though. The saplings change is decently important, and afaik, it hasn't had an explanation. Glomdoring and Seren need more reasons to work together or, at the least, not kill each other, not more reasons to be a pain in the ass to the other forest.

Considering that thier orgins came from the Great Tree spirit, I am not so sure that they need a pre-existing explanation. The explanation can very well come slowly, as the Tree spirit is prone to do. Personally, I like my ackelberry explanation. If its important, i would suggest trying to talk to the Tree Spirit.

This was a change requested by the Envoys and we hadn't really given much thought to the RP implicatons. If this update came as a surprise, it's obviously a lesson of the importance of communication among Envoys and their guilds. If players don't wish come up with their own RP explanations, I'm certainly willing to rollback this update.

Here is what I was refering to.

Both Kaervas and I deemed it a completely necessary change. Well, we deemed what we suggested a necessary change, what was instead implemented isn't quite as good, but apparently is much simpler to code.

Clearly, none of you who say the change should not have occured have ever fought as a druid against another druid. It's dumb. Really, really dumb. There was NO way to protect a meld. It takes twice as long to forest and meld than it does to forest and break. I can burn through another druid's meld without slowing down, removing the entire thing, and the druid has no way to stop it or save the meld, or anything.

Illusoinary terrain and saplings were introduced for a reason. This change is something druid combatants have been asking for for quite a long time.

Please stop the whining about the RP implications, it's rather irritating. "Trees have affinities to their natural environment and resist that environment being altered. Not all forests are the same, as not all trees are the same. The trees native to the Serenwilde are not "pure" and the trees native to the Glomdoring are not "wyrded" by nature, and yet, in those environments they thrive the most. Thus, they resist changes to those environments." There, done.

Mechanically, great job, it was needed.

Random RP explanations because you're annoyed someone cares, not so much.

Overreacting panda attack!

There are times when I really don't envy the Lusti admin. Those times are when players insist that years of IC politics and RP have been screwed over irrevocably by changing the balance time on a skill by a few seconds. It's needed, it's useful, if this is going to generate tremendous animosity in Serenwilde -- the problem isn't with the envoy change.

I don't think we needed an IC explanation for this, certainly not an event of any sort. Do we "need an IC explanation" for any envoy change that might possibly affect any bit of player-generated history ever? If you want an IC explanation, come up with your own. If it gets overruled by later events... well, that's the risk of playing in a dynamic world that's ever changing to accomodate player input. You can always come up with an explanation for the change, too, or you may want to avoid basing important bits of your RP on things that may be changed for game balance.

How about just "When a druid plants a sapling, they imbue a bit of their respective power into it"?

That makes the glomdoring saplings Wyrd.

Personally, I think instead of randomly comming up with answers, people who care should be IC about it and do some independant reserach on the subject.

We had done that. Then it changed. IC research now is just going to say, "Wow, now they screw with us melding." We'll be right where we are now, with an extra wasted 20 seconds of IC research.

That is nonsense.

No, it's not. Stop condescending from the high-horse of RP goodness and actually look at the situation.

I'm planning to speak with the Hartstone about them, to decide how we will view them.

So not going to say any more, better to accept that they do this and work with my Guild to see how we're going to work with them and whether they'll be a problem or not.

I have, and I myself have come up with 3 or 4 different ways to look at it, and I have come up with just as many ways to prove each view with IC research.

If you think IC research is just a method of looking at your skill and how it works and talking to NPC's then I have to say, that is nonsense.

Grab some inspiration from the Greek's "discovery" of the Atom if you must.

But...why? You haven't addressed Sylphas' point, just ducked around it.

Why what?

Syphas's point was that it would take all of 20 seconds to do IC research, and the result would be "it messes with our melding" and that they did research in the past and now "its completely different."

Again, I can see ways to do research that will give you a result of "they are all evil and wyrded", "This is a sign that we must work closer with the other forest", "this is the result of our strengthening of our ties with our own forest" and "This is a sign that the other forest is attempting to disrupt our own abilities, and it is a security risk."

Each result I think is perfectly valid.

Why do they even need to do that? I mean, it doesn't take 'research' - oh dear, their melds are stronger. So are ours. The seasons change. Moving on, who brought cookies?

Because apparently in serenwilde there are two factions who are debating the issue.

Also, because they are asking the admin to create an event of some sort to "explain the change" as if the "official" reason can only come about from an event.

the Library system is there, and if you write a scroll on the subject, and submit it and it wins, it becomes cannon.