Zacc2007-09-09 21:47:12
This is listed under HELP AVENGER.. A cookie to the first to spot a blatant lie somewhere in there.. Here, I'll even help.
Now if someone has PK CAREFUL ON, and is not a suspect to anyone, then how the hell can someone attack them, afflicting them with several oppressing afflictions and not be on the suspect list? Participate in a non-pk event (such as the harmony one going on right now) and what happens- someone not participating is allowed to go around attacking others to hinder them. WTF is that? PK != attacking another? Then I'd like it that if someone attacks me and I heartstop (because that's the only cure available to some people when afflicted beyond their skills to cure) I get suspect on them. Or, I'd like to be able to attack others and not get suspect if someone else kills them. These loopholes are just plain retarded and obvious. Fix them.
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Lusternia operates with a PvP (player vs. player) policy with an
innovative twist, which is called the Avenger Justice System. Avechna the
Avenger has been charged with protecting the prime material plane against
oppressors. An oppressor is someone who repeatedly kills or attacks
another. What this means is that if you were killed on the prime material
plane, you will be under the protection of the Avenger against that person
for one RL month. That person is now a "suspect". The FIRST hostile action
against you by a suspect will allow you to call the Avenger once. If you
do not respond with any hostile action and die to that person, you may
call the Avenger a second time. If you initiate a hostile action against a
suspect, the Avenger will assume you are taking matters in your own hands
and remove that person as a suspect. Note that the Avenger will attempt to
detect if a team has cooperated to slay someone and will treat all of them
the same as it treats the individual killer.
innovative twist, which is called the Avenger Justice System. Avechna the
Avenger has been charged with protecting the prime material plane against
oppressors. An oppressor is someone who repeatedly kills or attacks
another. What this means is that if you were killed on the prime material
plane, you will be under the protection of the Avenger against that person
for one RL month. That person is now a "suspect". The FIRST hostile action
against you by a suspect will allow you to call the Avenger once. If you
do not respond with any hostile action and die to that person, you may
call the Avenger a second time. If you initiate a hostile action against a
suspect, the Avenger will assume you are taking matters in your own hands
and remove that person as a suspect. Note that the Avenger will attempt to
detect if a team has cooperated to slay someone and will treat all of them
the same as it treats the individual killer.
Now if someone has PK CAREFUL ON, and is not a suspect to anyone, then how the hell can someone attack them, afflicting them with several oppressing afflictions and not be on the suspect list? Participate in a non-pk event (such as the harmony one going on right now) and what happens- someone not participating is allowed to go around attacking others to hinder them. WTF is that? PK != attacking another? Then I'd like it that if someone attacks me and I heartstop (because that's the only cure available to some people when afflicted beyond their skills to cure) I get suspect on them. Or, I'd like to be able to attack others and not get suspect if someone else kills them. These loopholes are just plain retarded and obvious. Fix them.
Anisu2007-09-09 22:36:52
QUOTE(Zacc @ Sep 9 2007, 11:47 PM) 440092
This is listed under HELP AVENGER.. A cookie to the first to spot a blatant lie somewhere in there.. Here, I'll even help.
Now if someone has PK CAREFUL ON, and is not a suspect to anyone, then how the hell can someone attack them, afflicting them with several oppressing afflictions and not be on the suspect list? Participate in a non-pk event (such as the harmony one going on right now) and what happens- someone not participating is allowed to go around attacking others to hinder them. WTF is that? PK != attacking another? Then I'd like it that if someone attacks me and I heartstop (because that's the only cure available to some people when afflicted beyond their skills to cure) I get suspect on them. Or, I'd like to be able to attack others and not get suspect if someone else kills them. These loopholes are just plain retarded and obvious. Fix them.
Now if someone has PK CAREFUL ON, and is not a suspect to anyone, then how the hell can someone attack them, afflicting them with several oppressing afflictions and not be on the suspect list? Participate in a non-pk event (such as the harmony one going on right now) and what happens- someone not participating is allowed to go around attacking others to hinder them. WTF is that? PK != attacking another? Then I'd like it that if someone attacks me and I heartstop (because that's the only cure available to some people when afflicted beyond their skills to cure) I get suspect on them. Or, I'd like to be able to attack others and not get suspect if someone else kills them. These loopholes are just plain retarded and obvious. Fix them.
avenger does not negate pk, it negates repeated dying on prime. People should not all of the sudden be nice to you because of an event.
Xenthos2007-09-09 23:13:19
QUOTE(Anisu @ Sep 9 2007, 06:36 PM) 440098
avenger does not negate pk, it negates repeated dying on prime. People should not all of the sudden be nice to you because of an event.
Nor should they all of a sudden decide to be a jerk and kill you for no real reason...
But eh, it happens both ways, oddly enough. Because it's an EVENT!
Yrael2007-09-09 23:29:53
And It's Lusternia. That's roleplaying, kids!
Unknown2007-09-09 23:56:15
And this should be in the Idiots! section. We all have forum suspect on you now for this unwarranted attack on the General section.
Unknown2007-09-09 23:57:50
QUOTE(Zacc @ Sep 9 2007, 10:47 PM) 440092
This is listed under HELP AVENGER.. A cookie to the first to spot a blatant lie somewhere in there.. Here, I'll even help.
Now if someone has PK CAREFUL ON, and is not a suspect to anyone, then how the hell can someone attack them, afflicting them with several oppressing afflictions and not be on the suspect list? Participate in a non-pk event (such as the harmony one going on right now) and what happens- someone not participating is allowed to go around attacking others to hinder them. WTF is that? PK != attacking another? Then I'd like it that if someone attacks me and I heartstop (because that's the only cure available to some people when afflicted beyond their skills to cure) I get suspect on them. Or, I'd like to be able to attack others and not get suspect if someone else kills them. These loopholes are just plain retarded and obvious. Fix them.
Now if someone has PK CAREFUL ON, and is not a suspect to anyone, then how the hell can someone attack them, afflicting them with several oppressing afflictions and not be on the suspect list? Participate in a non-pk event (such as the harmony one going on right now) and what happens- someone not participating is allowed to go around attacking others to hinder them. WTF is that? PK != attacking another? Then I'd like it that if someone attacks me and I heartstop (because that's the only cure available to some people when afflicted beyond their skills to cure) I get suspect on them. Or, I'd like to be able to attack others and not get suspect if someone else kills them. These loopholes are just plain retarded and obvious. Fix them.
Technically, attacking without killing is not PK, it is PvP. PK is only if you kill them. It's PK, not PA.
Arix2007-09-09 23:58:15
LOL, it isn't griefing if you don't lose XP, hurr hurr hurr
Stangmar2007-09-10 00:01:08
Just be glad this isn't Achaea where people LIVE to make your playing experience hell.
Elostian2007-09-10 08:14:12
QUOTE(Arix @ Sep 10 2007, 12:58 AM) 440130
LOL, it isn't griefing if you don't lose XP, hurr hurr hurr
I sincerely disagree with you here, personally I find the experience of dying a whole lot worse than a little bit of XP loss. My playing experiences have always been about enjoyment of interaction and much less so about 'bash bash bash' or whatever, then when someone runs in and kills you for no apparent reason while all you can really do is sit behind your screen and watch yourself die, I don't care if I didn't lose experience, it is still no fun whatsoever.
Arix2007-09-10 08:15:52
I do hope that you weren't taking my sarcasm seriously
Elostian2007-09-10 08:20:18
Uh. Yea. No, of course not!
Rika2007-09-10 08:21:31
QUOTE(Arix @ Sep 10 2007, 08:15 PM) 440262
I do hope that you weren't taking my sarcasm seriously
Even I got that!
Elostian2007-09-10 20:13:43
Well, aren't -you- clever.
Unknown2007-09-10 20:24:42
QUOTE(Elostian @ Sep 10 2007, 03:14 AM) 440260
I sincerely disagree with you here, personally I find the experience of dying a whole lot worse than a little bit of XP loss. My playing experiences have always been about enjoyment of interaction and much less so about 'bash bash bash' or whatever, then when someone runs in and kills you for no apparent reason while all you can really do is sit behind your screen and watch yourself die, I don't care if I didn't lose experience, it is still no fun whatsoever.
I can agree with this to a certain extent. Lusternia is an RP game, so if people kill you for no reason it can be OOCly annoying and ICly frustrating since you are dying. I don't think it can be put in the category of "griefing" though, which usually denotes going way over the line and making your playing experience generally negative. If a single death does that to someone, they're probably too attached.
As a note of clarification, though, I should say that this doesn't actually apply specifically to the situation that Zacc is complaining about. The reality is that Zacc has given people ample reason to hate his character, and it makes perfect IC sense for a lot of people to attack him when they get the chance, and even more sense for them to do whatever they can to keep him from winning the contest. It could be argued that to ignore him simply because he is in the contest would be bad RP.
In Achaea, the PK rules said that if a person attacked you and did not kill you, you had rights to bring about one death on them. Here, I am extremely happy that attacks do not bring about avenger status unless they lead to death. That is the way it should be, in my opinion - otherwise, if I attack you and you run away without dying, I have no chance to attack you again for 30 days, even though you lost absolutely nothing.
