This is mostly concerning ressurection. I'm fine with the other powers and their cost. A power all avatars get. The current essence cost has been 250k. But this was never adjusted to match the reduced essence cost for avatar death. In any event, my concern is that it's too high. Not that it's too high to matter, but it's too high to justify using. Sacrifice in Celest would cost 50,000 essence. Avatar ressurection would cost 250,000 essence. Soul resurgem isn't even possible for a demigod. But if it was, the demigod would die in Seren territory and lose 50,000 essence. Again, this doesn't justify the use of resurrection.

So could we please lower it to 50,000 or 100,000 essence to use?

Raise demigod death costs plz.

Let's not!

Fast hijacking thar.

I'm really against making any powers cheaper for Demigods. It's already very possible for them to stockpile essence, as is seen by the people who have in excess of 50 million, and I think there should always be the consideration of whether or not the situation calls for the essence to be used to use the power. For example, I could quite easily instantly revive myself when I die, but I generally choose not to because of the essence cost. If there are times you'd use the power, and times you wouldn't, I think a good balance has been struck for the restrictions.

It's for Avatars. And this isn't unreasonable. Currently it's never used so that, in actuality, helps to hoard essence. If it was lowered to a usable cost, it would at least get used sometimes rather than none times.

Alright, it's for Avatars -- really that doesn't make a huge amount of difference. And, why is it never used? I doubt it's because of the cost; 250,000 isn't that much. I personally would use it now and then at that cost. Demigods/Avatars have it easy! You've all been spoilt! Cheap deaths, instantly revived, cheap powers - no reason to complain! If you want to hoard essence, it doesn't automatically mean that all powers you have access too cost too much. Using it really isn't going to leave you with a shortage of essence.

Are you kidding? Did you just skip my original post and not read why it isn't used?

I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I think basing a reduction in cost upon "Celest can essentially ress for 50k" as the reason for reducing the cost of Avatar resurrection to be a bit strange to be honest. Certain classes give people certain benefits. If this is one, it doesn't necessarily mean it should be blanketly changed. Else everyone would get scent, because scan is worse than scent! A strange example, but comparable in some sense.

Even though my argument has thoroughly lacked coherency, I'm against reducing the cost of avatar resurrection. I definitely don't think it's too high to justify using, however.

That's not true. I do use it occassionally. It is a great benefit to order members who are in a rough situation and a resurrection or sacrifice is not possible.

I think the costs of it are fine. It should be something used when all other options are exhausted and given the ease of acquiring and mainting essence, a high cost is about the only thing that will make it that way.

Avatar rezz is also nice if they're already praying, something that nothing else can help with.

That reason alone makes it worth every bit of the 250,000 essence it costs.

The sacraments resurrect and immolate don't work if you start praying? Was sure they did.

Ressurect and immolate yes, but not sacrifice of course.

So that means Avatar Resurrection works without a body, which I think is what is hanging some people up.

well I guess it hurts Serenwilde avatars more. We can already rez anyone who's praying, immolate anyone who's praying, and soul resurgem anyone who's praying. I've got nearly no use for it. If I wanted to sacrifice myself for a corpse it couldn't happen. I also was trying to take into account mags/gloms who don't have soul rezz skills. I wonder if/when they have an avatar, will they use resurrect at 250k or have them pray. I know that before the age of constructs, Mag had a level policy on those who were immolated. So I figured 100k would work out. Anyways, it's obviously a nice skill. it's unused by me. Do any of you use it ever? I've used it once because I wanted to try it and see what it did.

But what if you can't form the coven for the resurrection due to lack of people? Or what if your construct that lets you soul-resurgem goes boom? I'm guessing avatar resurrection existed before constructs.

OP Construct.

Yeah avatar rezz was before constructs. Anyways, it's also Order only. You can't just rezz anyone out of the blue they have to be part of your order. I forgot to mention that.

If you consider this skill, the only thing lowering the cost will do... would be to increase prime raiding. Anyone worth burning your essence on (experience loss for them) is almost absolutely going to have conglutinate.

And Glom does have an avatar and I know for a fact that he will rezz on occasion.