The sap thread went well, let's try this once more.

Minorsecond. It's stupid, and everyone who's not a bard knows this. Affliction classes don't deserve that kind of damage output without, you know, afflicting.

So, Xavius' ideas:

Reduce minorsecond damage by 60%. As in, it lands at 40% of what it is currently.

Increase the damage boost of achromatic aura to 150% for minorsecond only.

Increase the mana and ego drain of minorsixth (I think it's minorsixth) by 20%.


Thoughts?

You do realize Harbingers have both a passive ego drain song as well as a double mana drain? Just making sure you take it into consideration.

Really, this is a bit too much. You do know that Music skill level + Dramatics skill level + Instrument mastery all increase MinorSecond? Dramatics is not a priority to many people, and instrument mastery is really, really, really hard to get. Which means that, whoever you're fighting, may have a ton of credits and transed Music (with/or Dramatics. Which scares me...)

I'd be happy if MinorSecond damage is reduced 40%, not 60%.

I think your all insane

Instrument mastery is not hard to get. At all. As a parent skill, the boost from dramatics isn't all that huge. You're talking less than 10% in the end. Trans music is going to be assumed, just because that's how numbers are plugged.

The Harbinger thing is an issue. What would be better? I'm thinking bards should get real payout for sticking two afflictions and getting a couple attacks off.

Actually, it's Glamours that's really OP, not Music. Unless you count the Cantors. Some (Wildarrane) Music specs are underpowered in my opinion, though. Nerf Glamours, fine. Nerf Music, not fine.

The base music thing is more powerful than the specs, is the difference.

Aye, having taken a closer look at both Starhymn and Wildarrane, I'm inclined to agree that the effects available in the former not only are more powerful and useful, but they actually...well..flow together better in how they work as opposed to what I've seen from Wildarrane.

The fact also stands that the use that Glamours and even Illusions offers is drastically more favourable than those offered by either Ecology or Tarot and could prolly take another look at in terms of making them as even a viable alternate to Glamours.

MinorSecond damage is fine, -if- eating Earwort stops being such a hinderance (or until I get Titan and can eat it freely.)

ColourBurst damage is fine, -if- it doesn't do any afflictions on the round it hits with damage.

If Bards are to be a damage class, than remove their tankiness (IllusorySelf), or remove their speedy afflictions (ColourBurst) and passive afflictions (Maelstorm). Maybe look into Octave power cost, too. Bards are a problem now because there were lots of minor upgrades made to their skills, and then Glamours was introduced...but none of those previous minor upgrades were adjusted accordingly.

Heh. Titan doesn't work quite like that for earwort stun as far as I can tell, Synl. Sorry!

Wait, don't you get the size-changing ability at Titan? Well, whenever you get that ability.

You do, but I don't think it works on all stun in the same way as it works on knockdown, since each stun effect has different base values.
I might be wrong though.

It's buggy, and size 21+ is immune to stun completely, according to the log Krellan posted.

Most bard races (decent charisma and int) have low con
Afflictions still go through illusoryself and isnt that hard to take down on low con races


An effective bard requires a smidgin (Is that a word?) of set up. I cant come to you with my crappy health and expect to win.

All the skills needed to be effective at bard combat

Tritone - 5p
Illusoryself - 5p
Colourmaelstrom - 5p
Octave - 3p
Fascinate - 2p
Flare - 2p
Rainbowpattern - 2p


Sweet Jesus I eat up more power than a Celestine

Convince someone to kill that Celestine a time or two, and you'll be ahead again.

It's not.

It's a bit much of a payout. Passive ego drain, having to deal with clotting the bleeding, 2x mana loss from the clot AND minorsixth. All the bard has to do (especially if they're a mugwump. Hmm. Wonder who that is) is blanknote, pfifth, octave, barb, vice. They can do that disgustingly fast. Kills most people in 2-3 hits.

I don't even want to start thinking about tritone+choke+succumb+harbinger minorsixth again.

Once again, Xavius proves that the idea of balance is far, far beyond his grasp.

Also, for anyone that doesn't know (Xavius knows), the envoys put in the report for the stun on blanknote to go away.

You cried when your arti got readjusted. Your vote doesn't count.

cantors get a skill that aeons stunns and prones all at once i believe?