I'd like for an admin to explain how people can come into a territory while enemied, slay guards (which is auto declare), attack defenders and gain suspect on their list. Then the defender with the suspect attacks back in the territory that's being attacked (no declare is needed). Somehow, after being slain four times and having each attacker on the suspect/vengeance list, the suspect list was completely wiped of all who got put on it during the raid. How the hell does that happen. That's a blatant bug abuse, whatever it is. Either that or someone was behind the scenes clearing out suspect lists.

How the hell does a suspect list get cleared out when PK CAREFUL is ON??? That's a clear bug. Suspect should not be removed when attacking people who have auto-declared.

To be specific, this is what happened:
1. Magnagorans (Revan, Thoros, Malarious, Incabulos, Iytha, Livictus) raid Southgard.
2. I get slain two times- get suspect on four or five of them. I checked it after congluting and it clearly said so.
3. Went back in, got slain two more times (twice by Thoros). I attacked a few during this, but they were all on my suspect list already or were in enemy territory or slew guards.
4. Congluted again and discovered nearly everyone but Thoros had been removed to my suspect list.
5. Went back into the village, got attacked by Thoros again (luckily I was under grace). Somehow, that removed Thoros from the suspect list.
6. Now the suspect list is back to the way it was before the raid (actually, I think I'm missing someone now).

Either this is an odd bug that's completely messed up and needs to be fixed immediately, or an admin was behind the scenes clearing out suspect lists. I'd like an answer to this, as I followed the Avenger rules to perfection in regards to what a defender can and can not do.

I want the lost suspect/vengeance statuses or experience back (since vengeance can not be called to reclaim the approx experience lost).

And before anyone says it: PK CAREFUL ON was set the entire time, so the only way to attack would be if the enemy did a manual or automatic declare. There's really no excuse other than it's a serious bug and needs to be looked into immediately.

I have no intention of resting until this problem is fixed.

Hi. Welcome to the last 30 months of Lusternia. It's nice to see you've crawled out of the manse and decided to join us.

There's a thread just a few down talking about this issue. If you really care, you can search my old posts, and you'll see a step-by-step breakdown of exactly why it works that way. Is it intuitive? No. Is it "working as intended?" Probably not. Is it news to anyone, coders included? Definitely not. However, refusing to rest for 30 months is an interesting way to commit suicide. If that's your intention, be sure to film it. If it's not, take a deep breath, turn on some soothing music, and lay down for a quick nap.

Conspiration?!

That's abso- -lutely ridiculous. I'll be making use of Grace to counter this. Sure, it wasn't meant for someone to stand there and be a teleport or whatnot target or to snatch up corpses, but hey, we're abusing loopholes here. So who cares!

And, in advance, all those who will be issuing me about the Grace thing, well, I'd like to refer you to the HELP AVENGER and how incredibly incorrect it is.

Great. Sigs keep getting more whiney. I guess I have to disable them from now on. Sigh.

Since this was already brought up with the administration by other means, please await the administration's answer through that other means. Furthermore, if this were truly a bug, it should not be talked about on forums. This thread is closed.