There's a poll in the Polling Place about Racial RP, and Gwylifar said that there needs to be some way to come up with a set of defined RP characteristics or rules or whatever for the races. Anyway, I thought perhaps I'd start one up for my own race, which is Viscanti. Anyone can post ideas, whether your character is Viscanti or not, and the ones that are agreed upon as being good RP for the Viscanti race will be listed below. It'd be great to have an actual set of RP standards for them!

My own idea about the Viscanti is that they are all quite beautiful and vain, and this can certainly be witnessed by looking at the Viscanti Houses like d'Murani or Feyranti. While the taint no longer can transform people on its own into Viscanti, it can be used to manipulate the form to assist in the transformation into Viscanti (hence Ongaku looking like a big, pretty skunk after having gone from Furri to Viscanti).

Any other thoughts?

Viscanti are totally not beautiful.

Synl's chief reason for disliking Taint is it transforms people into pure ugliness!

viscanti, much like any other race, can be beautiful on the outside, yet ugly on the inside. Define beauty. WHat one race finds beautiful, is not what another does. Yes, Taint makes one twisted, and ugly..


but that is also saying that all faeling, or merians, are beautiful
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Actually, I can see an attractive Viscanti, but they are usually the dark, mysterious, almost cruel looking ones

Err. The Taint does not make people twisted and ugly. The Viscanti are very vain about how they look, and the majority of Viscanti NPC's that anyone see's are usually the beautiful ones, because the ugly ones are sent away with masks on their faces and etc. Shunned as social pariah's, as I remember I think.

...according to other Viscanti!

No, that's actually how it is if you go through Magnagora. Estarra Herself said a while back on the forums when the Viscanti picture was drawn that they were meant to be beautiful and vain.

Viscanti are like other races, but with horns and tails and wings and red skin.
Viscanti are not any more or less likely to be good looking than any other race.
Viscanti are not naturally vain.
Most of Magnagora's nobility are vain.
Most of Magnagora's nobility are viscanti.
Thus, a large subset of viscanti nobles are vain.
This makes most people think all viscanti are vain, because prominent viscanti are vain.
In truth, poor viscanti are not as vain as the nobles.

Viscanti are an inferior race which Magnagora needs to replace with elves or even a more superior race like merians.

They can RP being vain and pretty all they want, but will they RP all their disadvantages as well?? They should.


Vote NO on Viscanti's in Magnagora (Proposition 212)

Where are you getting this from? Estarra's posted that Viscanti, as a whole, tend to be vain I believe.

You are wrong. Viscanti as a RACE are vain, it is why the poor ones (which are usually the disfigured ones) wear masks etc to cover their deformities.

Actually, the disfigured and rotting ones, be they poor or rich, wear masks because the Viscanti loathe ugliness - and physical defects are the worst of them all. Those who refuse to wear masks are sent to Angkrag mines and thus out of sight. To let your undead body rot and have defects is like a crime and something to be really embarrassed about so all Viscanti care a lot about their looks (bodies). Which, as should be noted, is not an easy task as RP wise an undead body is not easy to look after. I would pen down Dvyrus' "Undeath and you: Hygiene for the discriminating lich" as a must read for all interested and some of the Viscanti have their own beauty tips (both players and NPC's - for example Loredana d'Lardick).

Ok, for everyone who is saying Viscanti are ugly, your correct.

Everyone saying they are good looking, your correct.

Viscanti are vain, preening, and care about looks. However, those looks are based entirly on other Viscanti. So a Merian looking at a Viscanti is going to just see undeath and think they are ugly. Another Viscanti however will see the undeath, the nice hair, the clean claws and horns, and the overall beauty.

It also is the other way around. You know that really preety Merian in Celest? All a Viscanti sees is fish scales. Another merian sees very preety Merian scales, but a Viscanti just sees fish scales. And the Merian's lack of real care for themselves or how they look.


As an aside, Nariah, I thought the ones in Angkrag were more like Nobles who have gotten old and are now just too old to really look good. Nothing too deformed, but old. So at that point they are sent to Angkrag, so they have a place of power but are hidden away. I never saw it as much of a punishment. The undercity is definitly a punishment for those who are born with wierd whatevers I.E. extra horns or something. I don't think it matters too much about economic or social status for those ones. If you are born deformed then your in the undercity.

Ok minor correction actually. You're semi right, Othero. Before Undercity everyone was sent off to Angkrag to work in the mines, noble or not. The nobles simply got the better positions and overlooked the family business, the others worked their behinds off. We're working off the assumption here that the whole mine is not operated on just few dwarven miners and that others work there too, we just don't 'see' them. That's what I read at least but I can't tell you where that was at the moment. Now with the Undercity I presume those born with deformations are dumped there, possibly others who cease being 'pretty' at a later stage too. The bottom line is, you're not beautiful, you get out of the Viscanti's sight or wear masks (in case of the poor ones, get out of their sight regardless, poor = not pretty!).

This would be what I was getting at.

It's related to Gwylifar's post on how establishing racial RP is very hard simply because somewhere someone will be doing something different and disagree with your ideas.

Ok, yea, that makes sense. I also was thinking of the meat guy, he is a down right freak. I just forget his name. He is also given a horrible job so his looks probably have an effect with that.

And to my other point of what Viscanti do to be preety, I'm not sure if a mask always = ugly. Even if your preety I think the extreame vanity of Viscanti may make you want to wear a mask. You may be beautiful but a mask is always perfect.

Vrink? I think he's an orc though, not a Viscanti. But I could be wrong.

could be. My memory for those things sucks.

Since we are raising opinions, I wanted to add mine.

From the dictionary.
vain - excessively proud of or concerned about one's own appearance, qualities, achievements, etc.; conceited: a vain dandy.
beauty - the quality present in a thing or person that gives intense pleasure or deep satisfaction to the mind, whether arising from sensory manifestations (as shape, color, sound, etc.), a meaningful design or pattern, or something else (as a personality in which high spiritual qualities are manifest).

There is no question that the Viscanti as a race are a vain lot, just as the Elfens are as well, but in a much different way. The Viscanti culture is such, as has been mentioned in this thread, that it prides itself in outward looks and appearances. Hence the masks. When I think of the nobility mobs in Magnagora and in other areas, I see in my mind a picture of the 16th to 17th century royal houses of Europe. And that is basically what I think Magnagora is like, both their nobility and their common people.

As far as I understand it, shards of the divine have tendancies, however they also have the will to do whatever they want.

So I suggest focusing the conversation on understanding things written about ingame, rather then trying to define how it "aught to be."

Far as I can tell, we are discussing how things are in game and not how they "ought to be". Besides, the fact that they're vain and pretty and were once basically mutants is the only set defined RP that the Viscanti really have.