Hey guys.

Not sure if anyone's interested, but I'm keeping logs of spars and stuff as I learn to fight. I'm a Celestine curing with Catarin's system, and I figure it's a good way to see my errors, and learn from my mistakes. They're nothing special, since I'm just starting out. If any of the experienced people want to comment and point out what I did wrong, I'd really appreciate that. I just figured there might be some people who are new like me, who would be interested in seeing this stuff.

The URL is: http://combatprogression.wordpress.com

-Trakis

I don't really have any suggestions for you, other than putting in some highlights and echo messages for things like shield, soulless (you got up to at least 8 rubs the one time), enemy leaving/returning, etc.

I'm pretty sure the celestial archangle description used to say "Limned with fire," so why did someone think it was a typo and "fix" it? I don't like the "Lined with fire" nearly as much.

Spamming aeon like you did against ruiku without any set up will get you no where.

Add checks in your system for paralysis/peace against telepaths. That's half of Munsia's offense.

Don't fight in octave.

General tactic advice. If you are going for aeon, strip quicksilver before your angel hits, then when it hits with anorexia/impatience anorexia/stupidity or whatever you choose, aeon immediately after. You have to time it with the angel if you want it to work...sadly, even then it won't work against some people. Poor Aeon.

Actually, i would advice you to practice fighting in octave. With allheal, prayer to elohora, and hollowedground you are well equipped to remove all the barb afflictions any bard can dish out..

to wit:
Evoke hollowedground beforehand so it removes an affliction passively.(err.. actually, do you have this?)
When you see a barb being played, drink allheal
When you see another barb, pray to elohora.. then shield..

And since these are only spars, you will get valuable practice time using a lot of your skills, which i think spars are for.. I see people using the same technique over and over again without variety they dont learn anything new from "practice"..

If you learn to fight and cure inside an octave/maeltromed room.. you will be a much deadlier fighter in the long run..

..Isn't the point of Octave to make Bard afflictions uncurable? Or am I incorrect in assuming that it just blocks horehound from being eaten.

It can be cured by all non-horehound based cure.. like allheal, prayer, divinefire? etc..

Good fights.

-Make sure you watch for angel, you want channels open so if you get moved you can immediately recall it.
-Always try to get aeon as angel hits so that you have a better chance of them sticking.
-Most of the time Celestines passify their angel while collecting rubs so they have more force when its time to set to fling.
-No inquisition? Or even heretic on people? You dont use alot of power in your case so you might think of heretic to give afflictions (or if they run on it, its a good way to buy time).
-Try to get used to absolve, getting used to it can be a great help in groups where soulless is inefficient.
-Its 7 rubs for soulless I believe, so you can save 4 seconds by stopping at 7.
-If you are in trouble feel free to push for time (timeslip, web, gust, etc). Giving extra time to heal would have been rather helpful with Munsia.
-I dont see your angel at all in the last spar.

Thanks for all the comments.

Yeah. I don't understand bards at all, so I don't understand a lot of those afflictions. What does Octave do? Why is eating horehound important? Still having trouble how I got damaged so quickly.



Thanks, Malarious--
1. I will try to time my aeons. Right now I think making an angel timer is at the top of my list.
2. In those spars I started with my angel on pacify, and in that one spar I was running around at the beginning trying to collect rubs before I ran in there and set angel on aggressive. I think I can't afford to do that yet with some people, since I need to hinder to keep them from gaining total control of the fight. Someone pointed out to me that against Munsia, webbing and using hangedman tarots on her didn't really slow down her offense.
3. I'm uncomfortable with absolve, because I don't have contemplate. I guess the prospect of wasting the power for nothing just bothers me. I'm also not too interested in group combat right now. I have enough trouble understanding what's happening in 1v1 spars.
4. Why do they let you rub up to 8 times if you only need 7? That doesn't make any sense. =)
5. I don't go for inqui because I'm usually fighting people from Celest, which means they have Sacraments, and I can't really do that. I'll try to spar some non-Celestians, and try it out though.
6. Even if I get aeon to stick, I'm not sure what to do with it. How do I make stuff stick, since I never go for damage kills, and never try to drain mana, so they're essentially fine after running out and curing for a few.

Octave prevents you from eating horehound to cure powerspikes, ego vice, and manabarbs. Each of those afflictions causes you health damage when you use a power ability, lose ego, or lose mana, respectively. You had at least two of those afflictions, which is why you lost health so quickly.




Work on blocking them in the room in various ways: rubble to slow them (Tarot), icewalls, carcer, or even paralysis and other afflictions. As a Celestine, you probably have more ways of hindering a person's movement than anyone else. You can also give a good many afflictions in a short span of time, especially while you've still got all those defenses active to double your Tarot/angel effectiveness. If you time your angel with the aeon, you can make the next afflictions you give them lots more effective right there.

Also.. dont be afraid of paranoia. Its a good way to turn mages/druids demesne on them, and bards songs/illusions back onto them. Nothing like watching a bards bad songs hit but not the good ones!

One thing I've been trying is playing around with Vapors. What does it mask, and what doesn't it? I know it masks the soulless fling, but what about other stuff, like abjuring sleep, or other tarot flings like Aeon?

And when writing my angel timer, I was curious about the order of the afflictions. Obviously if I have it invested with:

kneel paralysis

then I know they'll hit together when wrathed, obviously, but what about when wrath wears off and it starts going one at a time? If I pacify the angel after a kneel, will it use paralysis the next attack?

What if there are an odd number of attacks, like:

kneel paralysis stupidity

Will it go kneel/paralysis, and then stupidity/paralysis?

I only ask because I remember that in some instances, the order is weird...

I never read the logs, but others gave advice.

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