Right now, there is a lot more incentive for an organisation to spend one million power on a non-demigod than a demigod (and to a much lesser extent, titan/high level), because demigods can already participate in the Domoth Realms. Ascending a non-demigod means you get an extra person to help with the Domoth Realms, but ascending a demigod just means they are able to participate more because they don't lose as much essence. This immediately places demigods, people who have worked, if not hard (for you critics), for a long time to get to where they are, below people who haven't already got demigod in the 'popularity contest'.

I suggest that we lower the power needed for demigods to be vernal ascended to something like 850k, something that won't mean that we suddenly ascend all our demigods, but at the same time, not entirely putting demigods at a disadvantage. It would make sense, because maybe the extra power from sparking the shard was not needed or something.

Thoughts?

Should at least include the "Demigods keep 1/3 of their essence when razed," which may be a big deal once we know all of what Ascendance has to offer.

... it's not that big a deal right now, though.

Perhaps have the 2/3rds of their essence that is lost converted back into power in some ratio and with a cap. So you do not get a "free" reduction in power for just being a demigod, but a demigod with a lot of essence built up would have that as a bonus to the org.

I do not know what typical demigod essence levels are like though, so I have no idea what kind of ratio would need to be used.

That's actually a good idea. I think Ex is somewhere around 80-100 million, I'm ranked 8th, and I only have 23 million. Most demigods are <20 million. So maybe 400 essence to 3 power, with a cap of 250,000 power (50 million essence total, 33.3 million lost)?

EDIT: changed the number.

Yeah, Demigods with all that essence are technically "closer" to being divine, so it should take less to give them that little nudge.

Faaaar too little estimated.

What's far too little estimated? The essence needed to save power?

Ex's current essence, and most demigod's average essence, I believe (way less than 20 million)

I think around Ialie or Kharvik (rank 20 and 21 respectively) was 10 million essence. If I was given such an incentive (as there is really no other incentive currently), I could with a bit of effort (and time) reach 50 million. I'm trying to be realistic here, so there is an incentive, but also so there is a chance that this is considered. However, someone else could post other numbers.

Krellan is a little over 23 millions last I checked, and I am one trip short of 15 millions, so I'd say Demigods average at about 16 to 17 millions of essence? Gaining essence is really easy, but what for? I mean, it's pretty hard to lose Demigod if you have over 5 millions, let alone 20 millions.

Yes, essence is pretty pointless once you have enough to survive. This proposal isn't really supposed to address this issue as much as it is to address the immediate disadvantage demigods have when going for Vernal Ascendant.

I don't think there's a disadvantage, really. Opposing to "We'll get another fighter in domoths" is "They get to keep a third of their essence" for ascendance, which provides a few useful skills. Secondly, as Shiri pointed out, it's really just a popularity contest, pointers look good that Kaer is the next Glom Vernal to be raised. It all depends on the place, really. Shiri was Demigod before he was raised, too, and I bet most people didn't think "We need more fighters for domoth", they thought "Hey, that genderconfused Nejichap is a good one. Let's give him vernal."


What we really need to address is the ability to dominate in domoths.

We didn't know when we got me just how little 1/3 of the essence was going to matter, heh. Xenthos overtook me in no time flat by bashing way more than he has any right to. I doubt anyone will be repeating that, though of course I might be wrong.

As for the dominating, that's not the problem, the real problem is how wonky absolving is. Even if one of you buggers nicked knowledge off me sometime Xiel would have it absolved and me with it grabbed again before you woke up. So it's not so much that people can dominate...it's that they change hands veeeeeeeeeeeery veeeeeeeeeeeeery slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwly.

Yep, 1/3 essence means very little when compared to another viable participant. How long did it take Xenthos and Malicia to get involved? Not a very long time. No matter how you try to put it, demigods ARE disadvantaged when going for Vernal Ascendance. Ask yourself, would you really choose someone who will get 1/3 essence (assume you use 20 million as the average) over another full participant, ceteris paribus?

Not one with 20 millions, but Kaer? Hell yes.
You also have to take into accounts who else is available. If Seren has a few often-available fighters who aren't Demigod, I am sure that will influence the decision a little, but I don't think the thought would dominate if it isn't emphasized in the announcement to the referendum.

I know for a fact that one community thinks this way. Celest had plenty of candidates who met the qualifications of becoming an Ascendant, but most of them were Demigods already. We felt it would be pretty dumb of us to raise a Demigod to Vernal, when doing so would not add to the number of people we had who could fight in the Domoth wars. There is a popularity contest aspect to Celest's method of choosing a Vernal, but it takes a back seat to very pragmatic concerns about making sure Celest does not hamstring its participation in the Domoths. Celest may raise a demigod to Vernal one day, but right now it does not seem like demigods will be considered for that in the near future.

Interesting! Guess it's not handled the same everywhere.

Sarrasri also used it as one of the points for choosing her over Nejii in the Serenwilde. If it weren't for Nejii being here from the very beginning and contributing so much to the community as well as the fact that the full domoth system was still not really as big a thing back then, he wouldn't have been chosen, imo. It is a LARGE amount of power we are talking about, so like Celest, eventually all orgs will see the benefit of having an extra person to help in the domoth realms.

I am in favor of this idea, mostly because Glom has the two demigods with the most amount of essence.

I heard a rumour that Exeryte has so much essence that he broke the boundaries of integer and Roark told him to stop bashing till he fixed it.