This is embarrassing, but...

by Bashara

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Bashara2008-05-23 07:03:00
My log of a little Seren/Glom scuffle. Advice, pointers, criticism, give me whatcha got.
Celina2008-05-23 07:13:13
The damage Shuyin and Xiel deal out is just...ungodly.
Bashara2008-05-23 07:22:59
Shuyin never attacked me, and the only thing Xiel really did to me was Maze. Maze was just.... mind boggling, I've never been mazed before had absolutely no clue what to do. Came out with less than 3k hp and then stumbled back into that fight. Somehow I ended up bleeding for 800+ and then Lehki+Barrin finished me off with cudgel.
Unknown2008-05-23 08:01:42
When you get mazed, shield. It stops the maelstrom from afflicting you. Then, just wait it out.

In group fights you should puissance/hit with that waraxe. Can dish out some meeeeean damage. But don't hit rebounding!
Unknown2008-05-23 08:02:14
Also since you seem to do some pretty good damage, target the little fragile targets first. (Barrin, for instance.)
Bashara2008-05-23 08:29:14
QUOTE(Thoros LaSaet @ May 23 2008, 08:02 AM) 514648
Also since you seem to do some pretty good damage, target the little fragile targets first. (Barrin, for instance.)



Yeah, I noticed I hit myself for 1300 on a Rebound, and that's with Taurian cutting resistance, fullplate and helm with 110+ cutting resistance, Trans Resilience/Athletics/Shadowdance Garb/other DR stuff. I wonder what kinda damage that's like versus someone squishier. Also, I had no clue Barrin or the others were there, I was still focused on Xiel and Shuyin.

Also, I took some lines from the log and scripted in some rebounding warnings and inhibitors. I should hit Rebounding less often now.
Unknown2008-05-23 10:02:50
QUOTE
2990h, 3342m, 4112e, 4p, 14734w elrkdb-
With a powerful lunge, Shuyin strikes at you with a frost-streaked steel
broadsword. The stab to your left thigh leaves a gaping hole.
2076h, 3342m, 4112e, 4p, 14734w elrkdb-
You eat a sprig of chervil.
Your bleeding slows as your blood clots.
2076h, 3342m, 4112e, 4p, 14734w elrkdb-
With a powerful lunge, Shuyin strikes at you with a sand-scoured golden
broadsword. Shuyin powerfully strikes your left leg, and blood fountains out in
a thick spray.
1162h, 3342m, 4112e, 4p, 14734w elrkdb-
You bleed 825 health.
337h, 3342m, 4112e, 4p, 14734w elrkdb-


Well there's your 800 bleed right there!

I feel kind of bad for the emofists there, all I did was stance head, parry legs, left it there, then went to town. They should probably move the targetting around, though I understand it can get spammy.

Actually, on top of that, the whole log, you just didn't clot enough. You'd clot like once or twice then stop, which isn't even close to enough when you're bleeding 500+

Barrin was Aegised. ^_________________^
Bashara2008-05-23 10:19:42
I saw the Nekotai misses. Apparently monks can either be OMFGOP or completely worthless based on stancing.

Jeez, I must've completely skipped over those lunges, Shu. I haven't gotten around to addressing my clotting reflex just yet. As of right now it's just a double clot and then I have a keybind/alias "bleed" that triple clots and uses chervil. I realize it's a major issue and while I'm taking care of some business I'm gonna fix that in the next hour or so.

And yeah, I figured one of the weaklings might've been -.-

Got a question for you, Shu: when Aegis triggers, do you take the same amount of damage the Aegis'd person would have or do you get damage reduction against the transfered damage?
Unknown2008-05-23 10:27:20
From tests, the former, so I can't keep it up for long unless I devote myself fully to just healing/tanking.
Bashara2008-05-23 10:41:12
QUOTE(Sojiro @ May 23 2008, 10:27 AM) 514664
From tests, the former, so I can't keep it up for long unless I devote myself fully to just healing/tanking.



Ouch. So someone taking 2k hits means you'll be taking 2k hits. Then again, you have like 9-10k hp with Surge? More? I've never had the chance to assess/discern you, so I have no clue.
Hazar2008-05-23 11:49:04
Also - get the Swarm to pick a target. You guys were all over the place.
Bashara2008-05-23 12:51:40
I tried, but the highest ranking people online were Urazial who pretty much set himself to follow me and said nothing else, Celina who was being ever so helpful in advertising her thoughts on retreating, and Leil who is apparently a pacifist. I've never led a fight before, kinda censor.gif up under the impending doom.
Hazar2008-05-23 13:47:58
Also - you kept going for gut wounds, which pretty much meant damage...on Xiel and Shuyin. Both were probably stancing legs, but a strike could have potentially gotten a knockdown, esp. with a greataxe. That could have opened the monks up for more effectiveness, or you could have gotten some of your own hits in meaningfully.
Bashara2008-05-23 16:02:36
QUOTE(Hazar @ May 23 2008, 01:47 PM) 514690
Also - you kept going for gut wounds, which pretty much meant damage...on Xiel and Shuyin. Both were probably stancing legs, but a strike could have potentially gotten a knockdown, esp. with a greataxe. That could have opened the monks up for more effectiveness, or you could have gotten some of your own hits in meaningfully.



Main reason why I was going for gut was because of OpenGut. If not cured quickly enough, and I was kind of counting on them not curing it quickly because of all the other stuff, the affliction actually causes them to fall. Like I've mentioned elsewhere, I don't know very many people who come to a fight protecting their gut/chest. Once I realized that I was never going to touch Xiel's head, I just stuck to the gut.

However, I do see your point, and I know that using Knockdown is a much better way to improve the entire group's offense, but I've gone into several group fights spamming for knockdown and never achieving it more than maybe once or twice. So I tried to mix it up and do something different.

Of course, Xiel didn't help the situation at all with his Invincible Violin of Indestructibility.
Unknown2008-05-23 19:24:54
Why not sweep for knockdown? You only need to knock a person down 2-3 times with a large enough group to get them killed.
Shaddus2008-05-23 21:26:34
QUOTE(Bashara @ May 23 2008, 05:19 AM) 514662
I saw the Nekotai misses. Apparently monks can either be OMFGOP or completely worthless based on stancing.

The thing with katas is, you either make a kata targetting various parts, or you make one kata targetting one or two parts

The really smart people make 4-5 different katas for pvp, maybe targetting a different area or trying for a certain effect.. but, most people don't do this. Most stick with one kata, 75% of people make head/chest katas.

Yes, we monks are lazy
Unknown2008-05-23 23:03:48
Get some elementals on your waraxe (fire/electric). Then just sweep/cleave and you'll see how fast people start falling.

Also sweep legs (for knockdown) using ibululu then when power is gone cleave at the gut using dulak.
Xavius2008-05-24 01:42:00
QUOTE(Bashara @ May 23 2008, 07:51 AM) 514681
I tried, but the highest ranking people online were Urazial who pretty much set himself to follow me and said nothing else, Celina who was being ever so helpful in advertising her thoughts on retreating, and Leil who is apparently a pacifist. I've never led a fight before, kinda censor.gif up under the impending doom.

Against Serenwilde, hit a non-demi druid holding the demesne first, non-demi bards next, Shuyin (make sure someone is on vines duty for this), then all others.

EDIT: And for the cities, just swap the demesne holder to go after the bards, unless you know the demesne holder isn't TK.
Ashai2008-05-24 03:17:16
QUOTE(Xavius @ May 23 2008, 07:42 PM) 514845
Against Serenwilde, hit a non-demi druid holding the demesne first, non-demi bards next, Shuyin (make sure someone is on vines duty for this), then all others.

EDIT: And for the cities, just swap the demesne holder to go after the bards, unless you know the demesne holder isn't TK.


Except... Aegis sort of messes that up, because Shuyin seems to habitually aegis the druid.
Xavius2008-05-24 03:19:54
QUOTE(Ashai @ May 23 2008, 10:17 PM) 514874
Except... Aegis sort of messes that up, because Shuyin seems to habitually aegis the druid.

Which is entirely the point, actually. I can't think of an easier way to damage kill Shuyin than through Aegis. Druids go squish, warriors go lol. Of course, that would require the group leader watching the battle spam to get that last second hit off.