Sure, it was 3 vs 5, but some would say that, since Thoros and I used wind, it took zero skill. Or maybe that was windpipe locks, or stun, or brainbash; I get so many bizarre, spiteful accusations of lameness these days it can be hard to keep them straight!

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Was Narsrim even doing anything through all that? Enero got like 2-3 attacks in before being smacked down, and Desitrus started late for some reason. Weird.

EDIT: It looks like Narsrim was lagged to hell or something. Some curing, but next to no parrying and no visible offence. You two were just winding over and over again but that shouldn't have stopped it.

Laggin like crazy. Like most conversations, this spawns from one person getting extremely pissed and two or three others commenting, which is then turned by the originator into martyrdom or some media blitz. If you have two winders on you, it becomes perma... that's just a fact of life till they cap balance loss skills. From my end, I gained balance once during the gut spam.

I didnt even see ectoplsm to get to 'perma' and they didnt all guarantee windpipe so not sure how perma it could have been.

We get to see two things though:
1) Ressurect has a use and isnt it free on sacraments users? meaning 0 cost ress IN combat?
2) OMG someone truehealed in actual combat! Yes it really happens!

Yeah people were slow though.. can see why malicia might not jump back into the fray but was kind of meh the rest of it. And fear the double BM who can pinleg! Ohh the agony.

Actually according to him he was off balance from the moment they started winding him until he died. He was knocked down so parry didn't work and such. As Desitrus said, right now two BCs winding you constantly is going to pretty much be permanent. I assume that's why people have been doing it so much. A cap to balance loss should address that.

Malicia was rezzed to save her the extreme reforming time, not so she could jump back into the fight, though it would have been nice and no it's not free even for other sacraments users. And yes, trueheal is viable in combat - if you can refresh yourself in the middle of it to cast it. Otherwise, nope.

Right, I forgot he wouldn't have been able to stand up from the prone-permawind in order to parry, my mistake.

Yeah.. ouch.

must have been hitting fast to perma wind him, it shouldnt stack that majorly.

It's hardly insignificant on its own (Thoros spams it on me all the time, with good reason) so when two people are doing it I guess you're just not getting out!

It's definitely not a lock with two hits. Four is another story.

I would like to express my regret for posting this log in the rash, vitriolic manner that I did. I think it's a good log, but it was posted for the wrong reason. It was posted as the cumulative result of many months of frustration and annoyance, the nature of which I will do my best to explain.

Note: the following refers only to OOC interactions.

It seems to me that every time Magnagora or a Magnagoran player manages to accomplish something (a successful raid, a victory in a skirmish, winning a duel, etc), their opponents (Celestian players, most of the time) will act sore, make excuses, and refuse to recognize it. To someone who plays this game almost purely for competitive play, this can be very disheartening. It is always either, "You're a bonecrusher, I'd hope you won," or "The admins favour Mag! What did you expect?" or, my personal favourite, "It's summertime; this doesn't count! Go enjoy the weather you fat, sweaty nerd." Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a, "Good job!" and a pat on the back. I just wish there was an end to the constant, lame, insulting excuses.

Then again, I'm probably asking too much; people need to keep their morale up, right? I guess my only option is to do what it seems every other person who plays this game has done and make some serious changes in whose opinions I care about.

EDIT: By the way, for those who wondering, Narsrim was using telekinesis and ranged staffs. These are anonymous attacks, so they can be easy to miss.

You do realize that whole speech is more or less copy and paste mad libs for any win, right? My mad libs, let me show you them:



As I said before, you seem to take way more out of what the people who react crazily say, than what the rational explanations say. As I said at the top of this particular thread, the issue is more with two or more BC's spamming wind because you can't "cure" balance loss. It either comes back or it doesn't. If two tahtetso balance lock you, I expect you to be displeased with the circumstances.

The reason people call BC the best/easymode is because you have *three* stuns, two of which are possible with the same action (smite down). Crush throat on power attack (only dual wielder who can) and wind don't hurt either.

Hilarity aside, you claim the same thing about axelord. Harden up, princess?

Edit: And no, the universal cry for why raids succeed is numbers. Take last night for instance.

You didn't respond with a lolcat, so you at least exceeded my expectations there. If you're implying that I think Magnagorans don't make excuses (mad libs?), I understand that all "sides" can be charged with such. In my post, I was talking more on an individual level (which is why I didn't just outright say I was talking about Celest). I know I have complained that I couldn't find a way to stop Narsrim's inquisition/soulless combo while maintaining an offense, but I still acknowledged that he got the better of me and didn't insult him for using what I know is a Celestine's only viable way to kill. In return, when he went aqua and I three combo brainbashed him, he said I was lame and had zero skill.

To address your ability comparisons, bomolini is comparable, but not quite the same thing. Wind gives 1/3 the normal balance loss if they are already off balance, while (unless it was changed without my knowledge) bomolini always gives the full balance loss, allowing a single tahtetso to balance lock a prone target (yes, I have actually seen it happen). Also, I don't know what you think I said about axelord, but my opinion has always been that, while bonecrusher is definitely the best spec, axelord is not so far behind that you can call it crippled in comparison.

I had suspected that that was a lie, like so much else that she says, but it's good to hear it confirmed. You'll see what I'm talking about fairly soon, but 'someone' was saying that you were complaining about axelord being the "most broken" and "best spec", etc.

I had seen a single Tahtetso do it before it got nerfed, yes. Morg had said that he put it on wind's exactly balance return. Issue being that wind isn't attached to a faeling with hyperactive, I believe. Should be completely eliminated with the monk update + racial nerf.

I only respond with lolcats to retarded arguments or bad rants. His concern regarding that kill, and I saw the log, is that wounding on non splendor (even on splendor) is out of hand. I tend to agree with that, as I could almost put him at 3k on a pu sweep, and his cutting is 57. His blunt is 42. You probably put him at 3200 on the first two crushes.

All I really saw was this:

With a flourish, Malicia draws a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword from an elysian star scabbard.
With a flourish, Malicia draws a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword from an elysian star scabbard.

Even my former godly swords can't make you good.

Nice job ceren/thoros.. hopefully battles like that will spawn rewards.. if the damn proposal ever gets approved, meh.

This may sound dumb, but I have a rougher time with AL than BC. The stun is just obscenely long. That's just my personal experience, though.

At any rate...I'm not sure if you should be criticizing wind whoring, Desitrus, when you are well known for doing 2500 or so before stun wears off.

Fun log! Suprising how quick Kaervas went down the first time. Narsrim also survived a lot longer than I thought he would, but seeing that he is a her now is still really funny.

First of all, I would never call a three combo kill anything but lame. Is it your fault that the combat system allows it? No of course not. Should you avoid doing it though? Thats up to you, but if you are able to 3 combo someone to death you should not expect to be praised for your skill.

I enjoyed reading the log. I wish it had timestamps but at least it was in color. This was Celest's fight to lose, and you can clearly see this when Thoros cried for help multiple times at the start of the fight.

I do not have the experiece of others here but Narsrim and Enero did nothing offensively useful in this fight that I could see.

I still remain amazed at the health levels plate wearers can achieve. My understanding is that Thoros would have even more health? You had what, 3-4 people beating on you for multiple rounds and you survived. If they had not switched targets you might have been killed but even so it is scary.

Does Narsrim also have a large amount of health? Or does that winding attack not do much damage?

Malicia seemed to die really quickly to me. Was it a wound based kill? Whatever the reason she was killed by just you and thoros and in the same time, her, desitrus, and catarin did not event dent your health. The same is true for how fast Kaervas went down. That I expect though as he had 3 knights beating on him and he wears cloth.

You parry/dodge a crazy number of attacks.



2k combo is just so out of wack with the "small cut" flavor text (yes I know it represents wounding level, but I still find it funny).

Side note, I really hate venom/poison spam and I wish there was a better way to envenom a weapon in IRE games. Something like a kata/maneuver system where you could pre-define an attack that would auto add the right poison but not spam you with the message unless it failed for some reason. Not a huge deal but still something that is a pet peeve of mine.

It was 2v2 for a bit there, but Malicia came back into the fight before Kaervas. So for a time it was 3v2 and then it went to 3v3

Again my lack of experience makes this hard to judge, but Malicia, Desitrus, and Catarin all hitting on you did not seem to do much. Did they just not focus their attacks in the same way you and thoros did? Did they get unlucky? I noticed you had heavy gut wounds one time, and heavy head wounds another, my understanding is that puts you into insta kill range, is that correct?

When Kaervas comes back they switch attacks back on him, while the three of you remain focused on Catarin. So twice in this fight Kaervas saved you by drawing fire. I have no idea if that was the right move on Celest's part but it seems like a mistake. All that effort spent on you was wasted. Are monks really so deadly at the moment that people switch to killing them no matter what?

Catarin dies, Malicia runs, and then 3v1 you finish off Desitrus.

I think the mistake on their end was to focus so much time and effort on you, twice, only to stop. Your side seemed to do an excellent job at locking down Narsrim (and no offense Enero but you did not have much of an impact on the fight).

All in all it was an interesting fight to read.

Answers in bold. PS, Ceren was never in trouble unless he already used refresh and d/f.

Yeah, I did the math and I saw I had to be doing at least 1000 wounds a crush in order to reasonably brainbash him like that. Even without artifacts, I would consider warrior to be the "master class" or what have you. However, I've recently heard that certain envoys are pushing for fullplate to be downgraded and robes, upgraded, so we may see more balance in that area.

And I think I know who you're talking about with the axelord thing. I told her (if my assumption is correct) that I thought axelord was better than pureblade, but she has a tendency to get emotional in certain situations, and she, well, probably exaggerated.

He shouldn't have THAT much...at least compared to the warriors. He's just a kephera, so lvl 3 racial against Ceren's damage. He wouldn't be taking all that much.

Well, I think that Ceren is a very good combatant. Whatever sort of balance of skill and inherent advanage obviously exists, but it's not right to dismiss someone entirely because of their class. After all, that's a choice too, and so is the decision to invest in whatever arti you have. We should all just bake cookies and be happy.