Go go influence and debating perks because you know how to have kids

My thoughts: The ability for Great Houses to compete against each other is a good thing, but... Council seats? Extra influencing outside of Family matters? Extra power? C'mon.

The base honour system is a good one, but I don't think the rest of it is necessary, or even beneficial. All it does is encourage mass-inducting of as many kids as possible (whether or not they're good for the family) in order to get more influence. There is already enough of that just to get to a Great House in the first place (see: Dekoven, and the number of them who still play versus those who are inactives and disappeared ages ago).

What Xenthos said.

I really like the addition whilst absolutely despising it at the same time. Come ON! Such coolness just for three families? Maybe four or five in several months? This further encourages to mass adopt whoever, most of whom are inactive anyhow so how does that mean big influential numbers? Influencing perks?! No...

This is really awesome but please, please, pleeeeease allow other families to participate too! This gets so many things we have been begging for for ages and only tycoons get to enjoy it? Set like a 15-25 person requirement to be a 'Lesser Great House' for involvement and so that no lesser can ever, easily, beat a Great House. Add banner houses maybe? Which gives the House additional honour points to compete against others, allow top lesser house to be visible in help city files along the top great one...

Anything, but let others participate and not promote being part of big families which are already making the RP extremely dull and tiring.

I have to agree with Xenthos.

I see nothing wrong with Great Houses being able to compete with eachother, and the idea of being an honourable Great House etc sounds rather cool. However, giving Great Houses affiliated to a city/commune a seat on the ruling council? I can't see this as being a good idea at all. It just encourages people to hoard children in order to get a seat on the ruling council, who probably do not deserve it.

Also, I can't see why this is good from an RP perspective. It's understandable that Magnagora with their Great Houses would do something like this for example, but Glomdoring? I can't think of a single reason why the Glomdoring as a Commune would ever have something like this. Glomdoring doesn't do dynasties, it does zealous blind faith and not great honour because of your family.

If the Admin is intent on giving Great Houses the ability to take a seat on the ruling council, perhaps give city/commune ruling councils the ability to veto this? That way the different states could chose for themselves whether they want to get involved in Great House politics.

I do like the idea of Great Houses being able to chose a Patron, though.

I even asked on envoys about this, the org has to agree to give the House a seat in the first place. So really, all this complaints about families sucking up all the noobs is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. If your org allows this to happen, I'd say that you have bigger problem than a whorey family.

Sounds like making inactive players not count towards Great House status would solve a lot of the problems that people are complaining about. I think this change looks awesome!

Fixed for you.

True, but I see nothing wrong with allowing a Great House to align themselves with a city or commune, but I see everything wrong with them getting a council seat when they do so.

Unless I am mistaken and they need permission from the ruling council to appoint a ruling council member after being aligned? In which case, fine.

Are you sure they do?

Whoops, mistaken.

Morg just clarified that you need approval for the house to get aligned to the org, the appointment to the seat seems to just be a perk that needs no approval after that, but he says that removing the house from its alignment also removes its council seat.

Seems that the council seat perk also requires a lot of honour points (?), a hell of a lot, so it'll be a while before we see Iron Council member d'Murani or Star Council member Dekoven.

No, I'm not. I'm just assuming by how much people (read: Nariah) were complaining and using bold that of course she MUST be right... People don't complain on baseless and ridiculously wrong information, right?!?

Go through and HONOURS the people in the Dekoven family. The inactive bit is people who quit the family, not who are actually inactive or barely active.

One thing the Family Head needs is the ability to FT probate family members who just don't know when to shut their damn mouths. Nothing worse than having that one annoying family member that you are forced to either turn your family channel off, or listen to them blather on.

Huh, how misleading.

Well that should be changed or you are just begging for HELP SECONDS abuse.

Do remember that family honour decays, and a fair amount of stuff removes it. IE, killing angels on Celestia if you're in a celestian family (Thoros and the La'Saet's, for instance), among other things. Honour isn't particularly easy (flippantly says I), and is pretty easy to lose.

Personally, I suspect this fear of proverbial induction orgies won't come to bear or, at least, won't produce the honour to hold a city seat. And of course, the more honourable family, if two have the minimum honour, will take the seat.

I like the system myself, and hope to see it encourage historical families to be made, like the d'Murani!

FYI, it only takes one council vote to confirm a Great House. One council vote by a member can result in another sitting Council member.. hooboy.

You shouldn't get honour cause you can farm kids, personally. You should get honour for the actual accomplishments of a family. Anybody can farm kids.

As I say, I don't mind the idea of a Great House aligning themselves to a state, it could lead to some interesting RP. However, I would ask the Admin to consider making a Great House require another vote from the council before allowing them to appoint their own council member, regardless of the amount of 'honour' they would require.





And please make it so that it is a -majority- vote on the ruling council. I believe I've already ranted in ideas about the fact that you no longer need a majority vote for hardly any decision on the ruling council (until the numbers are upped - please!). Just one sympathetic member (or Great House member) on the ruling council should not be able to magic up support by confirming a Great House.

That's exactly how it works, as I understand it, Gregori.