Vhaas2009-03-01 10:50:11
In the beginning...
And with the Coming of Estarra...
As a human of the "old heritage" (unmixed with the Lusternian races) I wanted Vhaas' roleplay to be very human in part. To do this well, however, I need to know exactly who and what the humans are to the same extent they do.
When Estarra and Magnora return from the alternate reality they have merged with the Son's essence. When gods die they fragment into several pieces and become a mortal race. For Estarra to contain the Son's essence, it seems to imply that a.) there was loose essence floating around on the other side of that rift, or b.) it was drawn by whatever means from humanity.
So...
1.) Do they (Dynara and Magnora) take humans and "melt them down"/find them by some event "melted down" and merge into Estarra, then recreate humans as upon arriving in Lusternia about 200 years ago?
2.) Or did the previous generation of human being cross over on "Estarra's Ark" and continue their lives and legacies in the First World?
If the first, it is very understandable that we would know nothing about our pasts and would have adapted to other cultures.
If it is the second, this potentially makes humans a very old race with rich history and culture that I would like to build upon (enigmatic tales, customs, and folklore from "the time before").
Could we even possibly have divine verdict on this, without giving away spoilers? I haven't found anything in the game history or IG libraries about it yet, so I apologize if I am overlooking something obvious.
It seems like this would be too important and evident in-game to be overlooked.
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...they became aware of a tear within the fabric of reality through which the nameless son had entered. But to their sorrow, they learned the Son of Yudhe was destroyed in this alternate reality. But they discerned that his essence remained, scattered through a race calling themselves humans. And so Magnora and Dynara schemed and plotted to enter this alternate reality and unite it with Yudhe, thus bringing progenitor and son back together.
And with the Coming of Estarra...
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...Estarra watched over the rebuilding of the mortal races and their civilizations. The human race whom she settled within the Basin of Life, where they thrived and flourished, intermingling with the other races sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.
As a human of the "old heritage" (unmixed with the Lusternian races) I wanted Vhaas' roleplay to be very human in part. To do this well, however, I need to know exactly who and what the humans are to the same extent they do.
When Estarra and Magnora return from the alternate reality they have merged with the Son's essence. When gods die they fragment into several pieces and become a mortal race. For Estarra to contain the Son's essence, it seems to imply that a.) there was loose essence floating around on the other side of that rift, or b.) it was drawn by whatever means from humanity.
So...
1.) Do they (Dynara and Magnora) take humans and "melt them down"/find them by some event "melted down" and merge into Estarra, then recreate humans as upon arriving in Lusternia about 200 years ago?
2.) Or did the previous generation of human being cross over on "Estarra's Ark" and continue their lives and legacies in the First World?
If the first, it is very understandable that we would know nothing about our pasts and would have adapted to other cultures.
If it is the second, this potentially makes humans a very old race with rich history and culture that I would like to build upon (enigmatic tales, customs, and folklore from "the time before").
Could we even possibly have divine verdict on this, without giving away spoilers? I haven't found anything in the game history or IG libraries about it yet, so I apologize if I am overlooking something obvious.
It seems like this would be too important and evident in-game to be overlooked.
Furien2009-03-01 11:08:04
Old, Old conspiracy. Let's see if I remember how this goes.
The Nameless Son was actually the Unnameable Horror from Achaea, the same thing that raped Maya and produced humanity.
I can't remember the specifics of it, but Eris went back in time on Achaea, to that exact point in time when the rape occurred. She took the first spawn of humanity, traveled through the dimensions (having spent centuries sapping the power of the original God of Chaos) to Lusternia, where she pops out as Estarra, with humanity trailing right behind her.
The Nameless Son was actually the Unnameable Horror from Achaea, the same thing that raped Maya and produced humanity.
I can't remember the specifics of it, but Eris went back in time on Achaea, to that exact point in time when the rape occurred. She took the first spawn of humanity, traveled through the dimensions (having spent centuries sapping the power of the original God of Chaos) to Lusternia, where she pops out as Estarra, with humanity trailing right behind her.
Vhaas2009-03-01 11:12:15
QUOTE (Furien @ Mar 1 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Old, Old conspiracy. Let's see if I remember how this goes.
The Nameless Son was actually the Unnameable Horror from Achaea, the same thing that raped Maya and produced humanity.
I can't remember the specifics of it, but Eris went back in time on Achaea, to that exact point in time when the rape occurred. She took the first spawn of humanity, traveled through the dimensions (having spent centuries sapping the power of the original God of Chaos) to Lusternia, where she pops out as Estarra, with humanity trailing right behind her.
The Nameless Son was actually the Unnameable Horror from Achaea, the same thing that raped Maya and produced humanity.
I can't remember the specifics of it, but Eris went back in time on Achaea, to that exact point in time when the rape occurred. She took the first spawn of humanity, traveled through the dimensions (having spent centuries sapping the power of the original God of Chaos) to Lusternia, where she pops out as Estarra, with humanity trailing right behind her.
Way to be the Final Fantasy of MUDs. : D
I can run with that, but define "trailing"? Corporeal forms or little effervescent wisps of soul? Also, how much of this are modern humans familiar with?
Esano2009-03-01 11:13:13
QUOTE (Furien @ Mar 1 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Old, Old conspiracy. Let's see if I remember how this goes.
The Nameless Son was actually the Unnameable Horror from Achaea, the same thing that raped Maya and produced humanity.
I can't remember the specifics of it, but Eris went back in time on Achaea, to that exact point in time when the rape occurred. She took the first spawn of humanity, traveled through the dimensions (having spent centuries sapping the power of the original God of Chaos) to Lusternia, where she pops out as Estarra, with humanity trailing right behind her.
The Nameless Son was actually the Unnameable Horror from Achaea, the same thing that raped Maya and produced humanity.
I can't remember the specifics of it, but Eris went back in time on Achaea, to that exact point in time when the rape occurred. She took the first spawn of humanity, traveled through the dimensions (having spent centuries sapping the power of the original God of Chaos) to Lusternia, where she pops out as Estarra, with humanity trailing right behind her.
And Varian was a god which people released despite a pile of warnings, who proved too powerful for Sarapis to defeat, so he had to make a copy of Achaea and shove him in there (which became Aetolia).
These are actually just Achaea-side events, and bear no resemblance to the mythos of the new game, so I wouldn't suggest using them!
Unknown2009-03-01 11:15:58
The Achaea-Lusternia theory transcends IC, too, since Eris' player and Estarra's player is the same 
Vhaas2009-03-01 11:16:52
I hope that Admin comment on what is/is not allowed. 200 years in a well-recorded age really isn't a long time, so you would figure that if humans are not reincarnates, it would be fairly fresh on the mind.
If Furien's account is correct though... playing a racial human basically consists of playing Achaea. Not so much call for that folklore in such a case.
If Furien's account is correct though... playing a racial human basically consists of playing Achaea. Not so much call for that folklore in such a case.
Furien2009-03-01 11:19:59
You know that amnesia dust that orgs use when events don't go their way? Where d'you think they got it from? 
Unknown2009-03-01 11:20:06
What's Imperian, than?
Furien2009-03-01 11:21:54
It's Achaea, just swap some class names, sprinkle in some new skills and cities, and then take your health and mana and all the damage/healing in the world and chop one digit off the end.
Esano2009-03-01 11:22:40
QUOTE (Furien @ Mar 1 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's Achaea, just swap some class names, sprinkle in some new skills and cities, and then take your health and mana and all the damage/healing in the world and chop one digit off the end.
I think she means what was the Imperian event. I can't remember, myself.
Furien2009-03-01 11:25:05
As for human roleplay:
If you look at it from an OOC perspective, humans seem to have a shard without necessarily being a part of a splintered Divinity, which makes them unique.
ICly? You learn naturally faster than the other races (so I guess you could be somewhat wittier or something), you're much more adaptable than the others, less likely to cling to their previous organizational structures (Igasho Tribes, Kephera Hives), what have you. Few races will really have any reason to feud with you because of your sheer neutrality, unlike Krokani/Aslaran, Kephera/Illithoid, Dracnari/Lucidian+Trill.
If you look at it from an OOC perspective, humans seem to have a shard without necessarily being a part of a splintered Divinity, which makes them unique.
ICly? You learn naturally faster than the other races (so I guess you could be somewhat wittier or something), you're much more adaptable than the others, less likely to cling to their previous organizational structures (Igasho Tribes, Kephera Hives), what have you. Few races will really have any reason to feud with you because of your sheer neutrality, unlike Krokani/Aslaran, Kephera/Illithoid, Dracnari/Lucidian+Trill.
Vhaas2009-03-01 11:36:55
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If you look at it from an OOC perspective, humans seem to have a shard without necessarily being a part of a splintered Divinity, which makes them unique.
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...they learned the Son of Yudhe was destroyed in this alternate reality. But they discerned that his essence remained, scattered through a race calling themselves humans.
If it is fair to call the Son 'divine' then they are like every other race but the Viscanti in this respect.
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ICly? You learn naturally faster than the other races (so I guess you could be somewhat wittier or something), you're much more adaptable than the others, less likely to cling to their previous organizational structures (Igasho Tribes, Kephera Hives), what have you. Few races will really have any reason to feud with you because of your sheer neutrality, unlike Krokani/Aslaran, Kephera/Illithoid, Dracnari/Lucidian+Trill.
The behaviors do not really concern me immediately. It is the history I want to learn because that hints Vhaas' understanding of the world and helps me develop those behaviors, his character, and personal goals.
Vhaas2009-03-01 11:42:19
QUOTE (Esano @ Mar 1 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think she means what was the Imperian event. I can't remember, myself.
Imperian doesn't seem to tie into the Achaean/Aetolian mythos. After a great flood the Creator Avasyu comes and bestows a vision upon the leader of a displaced tribe, who takes his people east and founds a great city in the promised land. From there on everything just diversifies without any IG reference to the other franchises that I am aware of. The geography is fairly different and there are none of the same cities or guilds, although some of them might have similar themes.
Now, you could argue that the flood drowned Sapience, but I haven't seen any evidence of that or otherwise did not notice it. I never played Achaea long.
Furien2009-03-01 11:44:10
Yeah, I'm drawing blanks. It's all amnesia dust.
All I can tell you is that the humans spread out into the Three Settlements, and one of them eventually became the Lost Tribe in Balach. We only recently found them during the whole Muud event that released the plague, turns out they're all corrupted and diseased and serving a Soulless now. If you haven't been there, you can try and get someone to take you to Duum, but the tunnel maze on the way is a pain and I'm not sure how much you'll really learn about humanity's history there.
All I can tell you is that the humans spread out into the Three Settlements, and one of them eventually became the Lost Tribe in Balach. We only recently found them during the whole Muud event that released the plague, turns out they're all corrupted and diseased and serving a Soulless now. If you haven't been there, you can try and get someone to take you to Duum, but the tunnel maze on the way is a pain and I'm not sure how much you'll really learn about humanity's history there.
Vhaas2009-03-01 11:50:10
QUOTE (Furien @ Mar 1 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I'm drawing blanks. It's all amnesia dust.
All I can tell you is that the humans spread out into the Three Settlements, and one of them eventually became the Lost Tribe in Balach. We only recently found them during the whole Muud event that released the plague, turns out they're all corrupted and diseased and serving a Soulless now. If you haven't been there, you can try and get someone to take you to Duum, but the tunnel maze on the way is a pain and I'm not sure how much you'll really learn about humanity's history there.
All I can tell you is that the humans spread out into the Three Settlements, and one of them eventually became the Lost Tribe in Balach. We only recently found them during the whole Muud event that released the plague, turns out they're all corrupted and diseased and serving a Soulless now. If you haven't been there, you can try and get someone to take you to Duum, but the tunnel maze on the way is a pain and I'm not sure how much you'll really learn about humanity's history there.
That is still helpful. So what is this amnesia dust?
Furien2009-03-01 11:54:21
Well, some admin takes control of some NPC that has a position of power (Maeve, for example) and then forces two (or all four) organizations into some arbitrary alliance against one another and strongarms them into fighting at the extremely fickle and inconsistent (Maeve) will of whoever they're being forced to follow (Maeve, Queen of the Fae).
It's really grudging and on an OOC level, everyone's talking and going 'Wow, this event is really lame.' and 'Let's just unenemy eachother when this is over with.' We sprinkle the amnesia dust, and suddenly I can't quite remember why I enemied Malicia to Serenwilde so maybe I should erase my mistake.
Unless you're Magnagora. Because they're jerks.
Edit: Other two settlements are Delport and Stewartsville, by the way. Might be able to look into why Delport is pseudo-French, I can't remember why myself.
It's really grudging and on an OOC level, everyone's talking and going 'Wow, this event is really lame.' and 'Let's just unenemy eachother when this is over with.' We sprinkle the amnesia dust, and suddenly I can't quite remember why I enemied Malicia to Serenwilde so maybe I should erase my mistake.
Unless you're Magnagora. Because they're jerks.
Edit: Other two settlements are Delport and Stewartsville, by the way. Might be able to look into why Delport is pseudo-French, I can't remember why myself.
