Well, having both a Shofangi and a Ninjakari and being able to say with reasonable certainty that Ilaveuse kicks Ersha's sorry furry arse, I went and looked at Nekotai. And... what I saw was decidedly underwhelming. It still seems like a good skill, but nowhere near as broken as the other monk sets. Is is just me, or is Nekotai actually not horribly overpowered? It definitely seems to pale in comparison to the others, from the skill lists I can see. So, thoughts?

Before a recent green change (introduced primarily because of Nekotai) a Nekotai could get a truelock at 3mo. You'd still need to burn through masses of power.

Poison mods are awesome.

Nekotai don't suck, they're just broken in a different way compared to other monks.

So what do they do differently?

I'm sorry.. but having a Shofangi myself and getting my bloody arse kicked by Nekotai.. I'm going to have to give you a big WTF?

Nekotai don't suck.. at all.. Go die to Sidd like twelve times and then post this again.

Your character has almost no skills at all and is a very low level, last I checked. Comparing his "ability" to Sidd's isn't very appropriate.

I fought Sidd to a draw, pre-ascendant. Haven't tried recently.
I tried to help somebody with nekotai forms before and I like shofangi skills better. However the poison mods are nice, and the non form stuff like spitting and scorpion stance is pretty cool.

I'm sorry, but the person creating this thread clearly has no idea of what he or she speaks.

Nekotai is better than Shofangi in almost every way. It also has better utility skills for direct combat (poison spit, prone on stance, etc). I would argue that monks go in the following order from strongest to weakest:

Nekotai >>> Tahtetso ~= Shofangi > Ninjakari (only because Ninjakari has the weakest instant kill).

Tahtetso has no means to really slit lock someone. Shofangi has the second worst instant kill - so I rate them about equal. They are both very potent. Nekotai is, however, a lot stronger in that it can ALWAYS slit lock when it wants to do so because it can totally avoid poison resistance (and that that's getting stronger with the recent approved envoy change to Immunity in Poisons), slit lock, prone, tendon, AND spit a poison in the same round. At this point, the target is utterly screwed because in ~5 seconds, you can do it again. Toss into this that it can throw down a six second delayed instant kill (that also avoid poison resistance), and it's scary.

Creehai does not lower the poison resistance to 0% (nor does it increase the chance of the poison hitting off the weapon). So the 'always' is misplaced.

It can lessen the resistance with a mod...but if you mean Amihai with totally void resistance, that's a grapple ender. So it can't slitlock or tendon in the same round as Amihai. And I heard it doesn't always afflict with crotamine for the instakill, but I never used it, just heard Yoruk say it.

See Synl! I'm not crazy.

At least, not for this reason.

I miss the good ol' days when ninjakari could insta-kill because no one had the cure in their system for disembowel.

Considering it's Narsrim saying this, and considering the amount of stuff he got right, I think you are.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I don't mean that insulting. But usually all he has is weak and all everyone else has is strong.

And corrected.

I'll throw in my 2 cents,


I would say currently, I'm the best Nekotai out there. I'm not trying to be conceited, but I just think that.

I've only been playing since december or so, and though I don't think I'm looped into that top-tier combatant group yet, I am working on getting there and I think I'm getting close. I don't know a lot about what other classes and such but I think I can beat the majority of people that play.

Now from my experience fighting other monks, Narsrim has been easily the best Tahtetso (sp?) and I've only ever beaten him when he DC's but any other Tahtetso, I've had no problem against. Jurgo is the best Shofangi I've fought, every fight with him is a close one, and Havulma is decent (haven't fought Asmodea much) but any other shofangi have presented no problems either. as far as Ninjakari go, Yukio is the best around now, and he beats me more often than not, even being raised.

This being said for the short amount of time I've been playing and as well as I'm doing, I'm come to the conclusion that yes, I am OP and possibly the most broke monk class out there. I don't know what a lot of other classes do, I don't know a lot of the skills they use. My curing is pretty good (Treant) and I'm working on learning Lua more so I can fine tune it to my needs. but I would say I pose a threat to 90-95% of players.

I plan on making it to that top-tier, I'm getting close, but not quite there I don't think.

and Narsrim makes me feel like I'm doing it wrong

couple of things to. Tendon is no longer the current "in" thing for slitlocks, it's sprongma with severspine due to only losing one momentum vs two (which according to Desitrius may be a bug and I've bugged it, but I have my doubts) and you can't hit a tendon lock from 3mo, though hitting a lock from 3 mo is lucky and not feasible against most combatants. Finalsting is good, i didn't like it at first, thought it was too easy to cure out of, but now I'm starting to like it more and more.

anyway my two cents

Yes, basic math isn't a bug ladies and gentlemen.

Edit; changed my mind

I played as a Nekotai, and even with garbage curing I was able to beat quite a few people that were significantly more powerful than I was.

Someone who is good with combat logic can simply re-designate kata forms on the fly, making it so you can bust the same form over and over in the kata syntax, and just change what it means before every execution (meaning you'd never have to break form and lose balance). Before I lost interest in it, I was hitting one button for combat and letting my system handle what to do.

Suffice it to say that Nekotai is incredibly overpowered, if you know how to abuse it.

No wai it takez skillz