Eventru2009-09-15 09:15:52
This is a bit unnerving: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/n...ue-1786867.html
Wouldn't that just suck? I was certainly taken aback (though I don't know why, it makes sense) by the statement at the end that, because of the time period when New Zealand was separated from land, it never had any mammal inhabitants, so all of the roles normally mammal-dominant became taken over by birds. Up to and including the king-hunter.
These are, in my opinion, the sort of animals we should be attempting to revive with cloning. If there's enough DNA left, I'm certain they can manage it.
Ahh, I'd want one. It would most certainly keep the little children away from my yard, so they'd stop sticking their hands in to pet my 150 lb mastiff that doesn't like people. Especially children.
Unfortunately, the bird would just eat the children before Bacchus can claim another limb. How unfortunate. But to say my giant bird killed your honour roll student would be a fair bit priceless - I'd like a bumper sticker for that.
Anyways. Bottom line: Giant predatory bird = super cool.
Wouldn't that just suck? I was certainly taken aback (though I don't know why, it makes sense) by the statement at the end that, because of the time period when New Zealand was separated from land, it never had any mammal inhabitants, so all of the roles normally mammal-dominant became taken over by birds. Up to and including the king-hunter.
These are, in my opinion, the sort of animals we should be attempting to revive with cloning. If there's enough DNA left, I'm certain they can manage it.
Ahh, I'd want one. It would most certainly keep the little children away from my yard, so they'd stop sticking their hands in to pet my 150 lb mastiff that doesn't like people. Especially children.
Unfortunately, the bird would just eat the children before Bacchus can claim another limb. How unfortunate. But to say my giant bird killed your honour roll student would be a fair bit priceless - I'd like a bumper sticker for that.
Anyways. Bottom line: Giant predatory bird = super cool.
Rancoura2009-09-15 19:50:38
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"Haast's eagle wasn't just the equivalent of a giant predatory bird," said Dr Scofield. "It was the equivalent of a lion."
(from the above linked site)
Neat. I agree with Eventru. The idea of giant eagles being the predominant predators in any environment is just awesome.
Unknown2009-09-15 22:14:34
Cloning of Huia bird
It's been approved with other ones, so I guess it is possible. I'd like to see it. I'm just curious what exact "technical hurdles" exist.
It's been approved with other ones, so I guess it is possible. I'd like to see it. I'm just curious what exact "technical hurdles" exist.
Eventru2009-09-16 02:14:03
I've always been very much in favour of cloning for medicinal purposes, though my interest was hugely piqued a decade or so back I guess it's been (crikes that makes me feel old!), when they were attempting to harvest the corpse of a frozen woolly mammoth and harvest its sperm for cloning.
Never really heard what happened there.
I absolutely think it would be fabulous to attempt (and far more interesting, to succeed) in cloning some of these extinct species. My understanding of cloning is perhaps the equivalent of my understanding of chinese - I know one character, which had something to do with the mouth, (I had a professor my first year of college who's name involved the characters for fire, knife and mouth - she always was promising to cut us up, cook us and eat us!) - and there's supposed to be a few hundred? I think? Heh.
Granted, releasing these sort of animals back into the wild is probably a nightmarishly bad idea (god, imagine - not only did we succeed in wiping out the species, we helped them plot their revenge on the world by resurrecting them!). However, my bleeding heart doth bleed green, and I would think it a great gift to future generations to work towards returning these poor beasts back to our world - even if they simply live in containment.
Though I can understand the arguments against it - there is a certain tone in playing god that is frightening. Eh, what the hell. Unleash the gigantic bird equivalent of lions!
Never really heard what happened there.
I absolutely think it would be fabulous to attempt (and far more interesting, to succeed) in cloning some of these extinct species. My understanding of cloning is perhaps the equivalent of my understanding of chinese - I know one character, which had something to do with the mouth, (I had a professor my first year of college who's name involved the characters for fire, knife and mouth - she always was promising to cut us up, cook us and eat us!) - and there's supposed to be a few hundred? I think? Heh.
Granted, releasing these sort of animals back into the wild is probably a nightmarishly bad idea (god, imagine - not only did we succeed in wiping out the species, we helped them plot their revenge on the world by resurrecting them!). However, my bleeding heart doth bleed green, and I would think it a great gift to future generations to work towards returning these poor beasts back to our world - even if they simply live in containment.
Though I can understand the arguments against it - there is a certain tone in playing god that is frightening. Eh, what the hell. Unleash the gigantic bird equivalent of lions!
Unknown2009-09-17 01:38:11
Pretty neat! Reminds me of the extinct man-sized penguins that chilled off the coast of Peru.
I dont think cloning is really viable...dont you need living cells from what you want to clone to do so? We cant just clone anything. I am also interested in what the "technical hurdles" would be. If I could choose to see an extinct animal come to life in my lifetime, it'd probably be the giant ground sloth that went extinct like 50,000 years ago (when alot of the mega-mammals died off due to an impact event/ice age).
I dont think cloning is really viable...dont you need living cells from what you want to clone to do so? We cant just clone anything. I am also interested in what the "technical hurdles" would be. If I could choose to see an extinct animal come to life in my lifetime, it'd probably be the giant ground sloth that went extinct like 50,000 years ago (when alot of the mega-mammals died off due to an impact event/ice age).
Daganev2009-09-17 03:51:06
QUOTE (B_a_L_i @ Sep 16 2009, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty neat! Reminds me of the extinct man-sized penguins that chilled off the coast of Peru.
I dont think cloning is really viable...dont you need living cells from what you want to clone to do so? We cant just clone anything. I am also interested in what the "technical hurdles" would be. If I could choose to see an extinct animal come to life in my lifetime, it'd probably be the giant ground sloth that went extinct like 50,000 years ago (when alot of the mega-mammals died off due to an impact event/ice age).
I dont think cloning is really viable...dont you need living cells from what you want to clone to do so? We cant just clone anything. I am also interested in what the "technical hurdles" would be. If I could choose to see an extinct animal come to life in my lifetime, it'd probably be the giant ground sloth that went extinct like 50,000 years ago (when alot of the mega-mammals died off due to an impact event/ice age).
umm, the only form of cloning that is possible today requires a living mother to birth the clone.
That would be the major technical hurdle.
Unknown2009-09-17 14:59:34
QUOTE (daganev @ Sep 16 2009, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
umm, the only form of cloning that is possible today requires a living mother to birth the clone.
That would be the major technical hurdle.
That would be the major technical hurdle.
Surrogate mothers can be used. Cows can technically give birth to sheep, as long as the embryo attatches.
Rancoura2009-09-17 20:20:05
QUOTE (Eventru @ Sep 15 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Though I can understand the arguments against it - there is a certain tone in playing god that is frightening. Eh, what the hell. Unleash the gigantic bird equivalent of lions!
Jurassic Park, kids.
Unknown2009-09-17 20:39:12
QUOTE (Eventru @ Sep 15 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Granted, releasing these sort of animals back into the wild is probably a nightmarishly bad idea (god, imagine - not only did we succeed in wiping out the species, we helped them plot their revenge on the world by resurrecting them!). However, my bleeding heart doth bleed green, and I would think it a great gift to future generations to work towards returning these poor beasts back to our world - even if they simply live in containment.
Let's revive these animals just to make sure they're never free?
Fun stuff.