I have found that even though the afflictions are mostly minor from an angel I am given no real options to resolve combat that I can do very well without it. As such I believe that the angel is an important part of combat and should be included in the "streamlining" process.

Create a new skill called AngelGuard.


This would have two functions:



Basically this would stop the angel from being slain normally.

On Nil you would be warned twice the shield is vanishing before it does... like:

The shimmering Celestial energies around $familiar begin to flicker.

$familiar (A Celestial Archangel)'s glowing shield dwindles and fades.

At this point the being will die on the next tic. It cannot be used to beckon, attack, or any normal capacity while on Nil.

I'm not a fan of the idea of making angels immortal. How easy are they to be killed as it is now? Will demons and fae also become immortal?

On the other hand, the idea of having 3 ticks before angels/demons explode on the opposite plane is fine, and doesn't need to be yet another power buff.

Think its 5 hits roughly? Angels also cost 5 power to call. Fae are 1 or 2 I think? I wouldnt mind something like AvatarGuard... since I think moon and night each have 3 specific fae unique to them.

I also dont think fae are all required for combat, if I lose my angel I am done. I cant just recall banshee and redcap and be ok.

Please pardon the ignorance of a warrior, but... summon a new angel?

For 5 power a shot..?

Remember this is like losing one of your hammers, not just losing athletics or something. I need angel to do my afflictions.

Angels also cost no power to summon from Celestia. The full fae entourage costs 3 power from the Ethereal plane (arguably 2 for Moondancers).

I don't know, wouldn't five attacks focused on your angel instead of you be a pretty good deal? After which if you really want you can resummon?

... I think you need to actually, y'know, test how easy they are to kill. None of this "maybe" rubbish, because it's definitely more than 5 hits. They are also uncrittable. If someone is targeting your angel and not you, you should have a very good opening to rub some soulless and screw them up before your angel dies.

No thanks to unkillable angels / demons.

I've got several power abilities that don't give me something as useful as an angel companion who gives passive afflictions, but I understand that he's a key part of your offense.

Perhaps if you demonstrated how many hits from a hammer it took to kill your angel, we'd be more sympathetic to your cause?

Banshee does a little bit of damage/mana drain. Redcap is a shadowdancer-only fae.

I really have doubts that a Moondancer without fae would be more powerful than a Celestine without an angel, but maybe you can make an argument otherwise.

A moondancer without fae is rather laughable, heh. Crone's the real important one, but banshee, pixie, pooka are all important too (plus, fae are crittable). So there is some questionable logic here, but yeah. Banshee / redcap alone for a Shadowdancer isn't going to be all that great, either.

Regular fae go down in... what, two/three symbol strikes without crits? They're quite weak.

Yeah. That's mostly because there are so many of them and killing one is not (usually) a big deal. But if you kill whichever one they are relying upon most (such as pooka)... you can keep them re-summoning it for a while, heh.

I will get a log later, I know it didnt take Ilaveuse long.

If you were a tracker your hound would be no power and do passive things as well.



Without fae a moondancer still has waning (aeon), hexes, and a mana drain. Therefore they can put you in a lock without fae, fae just do passive damage/afflictions mainly. Celestines without an angel cannot actually build to much, and have no real kill method at that point. Soulless without something to hide it with or the ability to use angel to stick inquisition means theres no real kill in store.



Pardon me.. but I am guessing you havent been a Celestine before. We dont have angel attack for RUBBING soulless. It costs 10 power to wrath so we want that saved for things like inquisition. It doesnt spare me, Ilaveuse couldnt kill me so he attacked angel.

Angels already can tank quite a few hits, and are entirely uncritable. Not really a necessary change. Fae are paper bags.

You sure are suggesting a lot of buffs for guardians lately, maybe you should get a solid foundation of experience before you push any other buffs.

edit: What he means is you can set your angel on something like the stun/prone attack and get 7 rubs unhindered while they flail against your angel. It's not a bad idea.

And a moondancer without fae is pathetic. Aeon just isn't a scary affliction.

1) The hound is killable.
2) Have you tried sticking aeon without any kind of supporting afflictions? It... doesn't work... and hexes alone doesn't really do it perfectly.
3) You pick tactics based on what your opponent is doing and what setup you have. If your angel is wrathed and he's attacking your angel and not hindering you in any way... take advantage of it, because he's handing you the best opportunity you could possibly have.

Yes but if I order angel to attack while getting rubs I wont have any wrath to use to actually land the soulless. So thats a bad plan.



My main point for you is that it isnt perfect but they can still do it.

Minor point is that again, I have nothing I can do to kill them because they attack angel short of wasting power on judgement. Again you dont want angel attacking or even with you in some cases if you are only rubbing.

web moar

Even though that wont actually do anything beyond stall a little longer and let wrath wear out....

What, judgement? Why are you judging with no setup? All they have to do is web you and now you're down power and an angel.

Seriously, you've got options. I think you need to play with your skills some more, because if you can't kill them when they aren't even attacking you, you're not going to get anywhere when they do target you. Work on doing things such as, say, timing your angel afflictions so you know when they're going to tick (and what's going to fire), and doing things at the same time to build off of it (though I think this ends up working better for timing Demon with shackles, you still make more progress by pushing things forward -with- your angel instead of staggered, letting them cure a bit at a time).

Well, this is just your inexperience speaking. You seem to have this plan of how you think combat should go, and when it doesn't it's "impossible." I can understand your frustration, as almost all combatant have been there, but I assure you that there are methods beyond using wrath to secure a soulless kill.

Also, as a note: You can always leave and re-wrath.



I think he was making fun of you. You do web a lot.