So while we already have people complaining about some of the following:

- Choke
- Ambush (very recently)
- Crucify maybe
- Pits
- Omen
- Nekotai
- etc etc etc

we are adding new guilds still, can we please balance what we have first?

Assume group combat for most skills and fix things that are entirely excessive like being tackled into pits, choked while pinlegged, etc etc. Yes these are example I am familiar with, but I dont know the other sides complaints.

Fix what we have before the scales just get worse please. If most of these skills were refitted to work for groups you would have more combatants around again.

P.S. Can we do some minor tweaks to races to get them a bit more balanced, I aint Mugwump but they still suck majorly.

I'm not sure how being choked and pinlegged at the same time could really be nerfed in a way that makes sense. Having a blade through your foot makes the shadows go away, or something? :S

Don't reply to Malarious threads. It just encourages him.

Enabler!

Ahahaha.

In all (yes, all) online games I've played, I have found that, if true "class balance" is sought, the path taken to reach it will be littered with sorrows: Quit players, stressed-out staff members, abandoned gameplay systems people once enjoyed, classes and abilities that never see the light of day (lest the balance be disturbed through adding something new), and plenty of bitter back-and-forth between those who disagree with one another.

Of course, I've never actually seen this perfect class balance achieved by any game (except perhaps for StarCraft, which is not a MUD or MMORPG). However, I have seen the "path of sorrows" traveled by games attempting to reach this mythical state. I prefer being somewhat unbalanced, yet happy and carefree.

Ultimately, except in cases of classes being egregiously overpowered, people complaining about class balance goes back — at some point — to them being upset that someone killed them in PK.

I'd say that "perfect balance" was achieved in Guild Wars, if only in that anything overpowered was by default essentially accessible to everyone.

Guild Wars, almost the best game ever made Hopefully Guild Wars 2 will be better... though it's unlikely that I'll be playing it. /derail

People griefin', people dyin',
Newbies hurt and you can hear them cryin',
Can you envoy what you release?
And would you turn the other cheek?

Estarra, Charune, Sior, help us,
Send us special reports from above,
'Cause new guilds got me, got me questioning:
Where is the balance, the balance, the balance?

That.. that was beautiful.

Tears to my eyes.

Oh quitcher bitchin'

This picture, combined with Shamarah's song, are so amazing I feel there's nothing I can do but this.