Mage/Guardian Constructs

by Furien

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Furien2010-11-04 06:27:12
So, most of us old people are still familiar with constructs. The established organizations have:

-A Harmony construct that gives a 25% exp bonus on aether bubbles in addition to free immolations.
-Planar constructs that provide free discretionaries, regeneration, Nexus World-based transportation to the plane and cause insanity for enemies on the given plane. (One Elemental/One Cosmic one for cities, just one Ethereal one for communes)
-A unique organization construct that provides it with some special mechanic. (Phials, universal undeath, universal covens, universal resurgem, etc)

Construct #1 has already been copy-pasted across all six organizations. This is good.

Construct #2, though, has not. I can understand why Construct #3 wouldn't be - you'd have to make up some unique mechanic for Paradigmatics and Aeonics to reflect the given trend - but short of 'they're tied to Bards/Monks' I'm wondering why Hallifax/Gaudiguch do not have the planar constructs available. Are they tied to Bards/Monks? Haven't gotten around to it yet? Oversight? Answered already? Maybe the Nexus Worlds are being retooled in a different direction, so there's presently no need to add them in? Drachou ate the plans? Time Paradox ate the plans?
Ayden2010-11-04 07:35:17
I have been curious as to why there are no other constructs myself. I know in Hallifax they were told that they weren't going to have any other options cause they didn't build the Harmony Sculpture and so they did.
Malarious2010-11-04 07:41:19
QUOTE (Furien @ Nov 4 2010, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, most of us old people are still familiar with constructs. The established organizations have:

-A Harmony construct that gives a 25% exp bonus on aether bubbles in addition to free immolations.
-Planar constructs that provide free discretionaries, regeneration, Nexus World-based transportation to the plane and cause insanity for enemies on the given plane. (One Elemental/One Cosmic one for cities, just one Ethereal one for communes)
-A unique organization construct that provides it with some special mechanic. (Phials, universal undeath, universal covens, universal resurgem, etc)

Construct #1 has already been copy-pasted across all six organizations. This is good.

Construct #2, though, has not. I can understand why Construct #3 wouldn't be - you'd have to make up some unique mechanic for Paradigmatics and Aeonics to reflect the given trend - but short of 'they're tied to Bards/Monks' I'm wondering why Hallifax/Gaudiguch do not have the planar constructs available. Are they tied to Bards/Monks? Haven't gotten around to it yet? Oversight? Answered already? Maybe the Nexus Worlds are being retooled in a different direction, so there's presently no need to add them in? Drachou ate the plans? Time Paradox ate the plans?


You are misinformed. The Crypt does not in any way give universal undeath, lichdom itself does that, the crypts perks however only work on undead.
Nydekion2010-11-04 11:22:50
While we're on this topic, please add permanent rifts between the elemental and cosmic planes for the new cities too.
Eventru2010-11-04 12:57:41
As I remember, we decided not to add additional constructs given nexus world conflict is defunct. Instead we simply gave them one (Harmony) which gave free immolates and an XP bonus while gaining XP in aetherspace.

I'm sure when we get around to reviewing aetherspace conflict that will change.

(And the Black Crypt, once upon a time, did allow everyone to be undead. When we reviewed construct abilities at one point, it was made a permanent thing, and the Crypt was given other powers.)
Ileein2010-11-04 16:23:37
Well, that kind of sucks.
Unknown2010-11-04 16:39:55
QUOTE (Eventru @ Nov 4 2010, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I remember, we decided not to add additional constructs given nexus world conflict is defunct. Instead we simply gave them one (Harmony) which gave free immolates and an XP bonus while gaining XP in aetherspace.

I'm sure when we get around to reviewing aetherspace conflict that will change.

(And the Black Crypt, once upon a time, did allow everyone to be undead. When we reviewed construct abilities at one point, it was made a permanent thing, and the Crypt was given other powers.)

Not aetherspace, aether bubbles. sad.gif

So, the four organisations get indestructible constructs with cool and useful effects, while Gaudiguch and Hallifax are stuck with the Harmony contructs, which are undeniably the worst of all the constructs?
Unknown2010-11-04 16:43:49
QUOTE (Caerulo @ Nov 4 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, the four organisations get indestructible constructs with cool and useful effects, while Gaudiguch and Hallifax are stuck with the Harmony contructs, which are undeniably the worst of all the constructs?


You could argue that the angel font isn't that much better.
Kiradawea2010-11-04 17:11:36
2 second shield that you can use while prone. It may seem underwhelming compared to the others, but it is a great construct.
Unknown2010-11-04 17:25:51
Eventru, shouldn't it be one way or the other? Either all of the orgs are given access to all of the possible construct versions without the risk of the one they pick being destroyed or none of the orgs get constructs because we have no conflict to destroy them. Splitting it in half might be the least eloquent solution we could pick.
Arel2010-11-04 17:58:36
QUOTE (Eventru @ Nov 4 2010, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I remember, we decided not to add additional constructs given nexus world conflict is defunct. Instead we simply gave them one (Harmony) which gave free immolates and an XP bonus while gaining XP in aetherspace.

I'm sure when we get around to reviewing aetherspace conflict that will change.


QUOTE (Othero @ Nov 4 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eventru, shouldn't it be one way or the other? Either all of the orgs are given access to all of the possible construct versions without the risk of the one they pick being destroyed or none of the orgs get constructs because we have no conflict to destroy them. Splitting it in half might be the least eloquent solution we could pick.

That sort of makes sense to me. I can understand if everyone upstairs is backed up with projects and building and coding and all of that, but a solid decision to bar Hallifax and Gaudiguch from getting their own unique city construct (don't know about the other ones, but having Nightaltar was awesome) seems very clearly unfair as all of the other orgs have the option to go with something other than Harmony. I agree with Othero that either we should all get them or no one should get them.

And for the record, Harmony construct gives xp bonus while gaining xp on aetherbubbles, not in aetherspace in general.
Shiri2010-11-04 17:59:00
QUOTE (Othero @ Nov 4 2010, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eventru, shouldn't it be one way or the other? Either all of the orgs are given access to all of the possible construct versions without the risk of the one they pick being destroyed or none of the orgs get constructs because we have no conflict to destroy them. Splitting it in half might be the least eloquent solution we could pick.


This.

I can understand not wanting to come up with something for the unique one since that would take effort and balancing, but not letting the new orgs have bonuses other orgs have access to that aren't specifically part of the balance or due to huge time limitations like monks/bards isn't a good thing.

EDIT: I think he was getting at "nexus world conflict" when he said "aetherspace conflict," which has more to do with the subject at hand.
Unknown2010-11-04 18:32:31
Wow. That is incredibly disappointing and confusing. wtf.gif
Unknown2010-11-04 19:03:43
That's not just dissapointing and confusing.

That's lazy. Get off my turf Admins.