Falcon:

Person A and B.
Person A sells at one price. Person B buys Person A's stock, and sells it at a new price. Person B's new stock sells, and a profit is made. Person A and Person B should be happy, because the asking price of Person A and Person B has been met.

BUT!!

In Lusternia, Person A sells at one price. Person B buys Person A's stock, at Person A's asking price, and sells it higher. Person B is occasionally snubbed and blocked from buying at Person A(s) shop.

The result is a simple word: Retardation.

Xenthos:

Alternatively:
Lusternia is a smaller world with a much smaller economy.

People need certain necessities to function.

If person B is intentionally driving up the price by buying out everything at its normal price and reselling it at a higher one, people will gripe, because not only is it really easy to see it being done (unlike the real world where it is not so much), it is not an important part of doing business (again, unlike the real world where someone might focus on production and rely on resellers to move the product).

People may be forced to buy at a higher price, but that does not mean that they need to be happy about it. I remember gasoline up over $4 a gallon. There sure was a lot of unhappiness and griping about that, and no real target for everyone to focus on.

The real world also has no 'snub' feature.

Falcon:

Yeah, but what kind of ass would buy out all of the stock in every shop just to maintain a monopoly? Egh, northeast was hit by the electricity cuts. Lebanon has the same though, timed electricity cuts every day, due to mismanagement of power and such, and a slow internet, so as far as incomes would go in Lusty, buying and reselling goods is the best way to make money without the constant fear of dying or losing in an influence battle. So people would gripe, yeah, but there are always alternatives.. just maybe please don't take it out on someone who has a very limited way to make money, or circle up, and sticks out of villages during revolts on the fear of lagging out, or can't hunt because that level 3 sip bonus turns into a lvl 1 sip bonus with the lag that goes on... /endrave

Jack:


I think a good half or so of the playerbase, if they had the money to pull it off.

Xenthos:

How about making useful goods to make money instead of driving up prices for no reason except one individual's personal profit?

Falcon:


Person 1A: You bought something from my shop, but resold it
Person B: No, I am wearing it
Person 1A: I don't care, blocked

Person 2A: You bought something from my shop, but it's stocked in yours now. (snub ban)

Person 3A: Your're the reason everything is so expensive nowdays (credits wise)
Person B: No, I didn't do anything to the (credit market) for the past few real months
Person 3A: So you admit to playing the market before?
Person B: Yes I admit.
Person 3A: So you are part of the problem (ban)
...
Person 4A: Why is your price for esteem so high?
Person B: To match the rising credit prices, trying to make esteem more expensive in the basin for that, with the gold drops increasing and all that.
Person 4A: Can you drop the prices for me?
Person B: No.
Person A: Snub/ban
....

List continues to Person 10A.

Sorry, but bite me and grow the :censor: up. Really. I don't want to hear that I was divorced because of my business, I don't want to hear the reason I'm alone is that I'm a despicable being. Because really anyone who said that or will say that can go :censor: themselves. Or lay the blame finger on me, bite me.

Kialkarkea:

People want to be able to just wander over to a shrine and dump a whole lotta esteem in for free favours and karma. Other people want to be able to make lots of money selling esteem. Different people that are angry!

Xenthos:

If that many people are upset with you based on your business practices... maybe you need to realize that it is in fact you, not them, who should consider change.

Falcon:



The most common response I've heard is "I'm fed up." or "I'll stop being nice" Because in the process of adding more competition, some people don't like that. So, I don't think that I should change, not exactly doing anything wrong here, not being dishonest in my dealings. I put forth a price, and I let people know what this or that item will be used for when I buy it from them directly. If I buy stock goods I need from a shop, such as gems and such, I do that, take the gems or goods I have to the trades person to craft, and then receive the good and put it in the shop.

I don't do what Rathan was talking about, I don't lie when it comes to my dealings, and I don't ignore other people when it comes to pricings. So as a response to that, what should I change? Should I take advantage of the current system, bankrupt everything, buy out all of the commodity items and force people to either buy at high commodity prices and then high priced goods versus my own low priced goods? That can be done.

Or should I claim a monopoly over something, lets say Sparkleberry like what happened before with who was it killing everyone on astral who tried to take his sparkles and maintaining a monopoly in a group. Or should I purposely take down the competition with lets say jewelry like some notables have done in the past? Or should I create false promises and invite more people to take a certain trade, and undervalue it, buy the bulk goods at the undervalued price and resell them when people realize it's better to change trades? Yeah, um no.

If there are things that people should complain about, it's those things. Not honest work.

Falcon:


I'm not monopolizing anything. And I'm not artificially inflating prices of goods for my own benefit. Only thing I inflated was esteem. The rest of the goods are at the same price of 4, 5 other shops I can see in the aetherplex. But even with esteem, I don't have control. It's my prices, if someone wants to buy the singular item that's inflated in the shop at what would have been 10k a needle. Then that's their prerogative. But that doesn't mean I'm expecting smiles. I'm just not expecting bs.

foolofsound:

Expect opposition to price-fixing or monopolies. Besides: do you really consider reselling at a higher price, rather than actually producing something, honest work?
Esteem != Credits, I'm not sure where you get off artificially increasing prices in order to make them so.

Falcon:



That's it.... The following is my wares. Now I am going to show you were in Nil each thing came from, and how it is honest.

And before that, Hi, I don't spend thousands of dollars on Lusternia. If I were to get somewhere, I need credits to be arti'd or achieve what I want. But if esteem jumps from prices between 5k to 16k between a given year, AND taking note that OH HI, GOLD DROPS INCREASED. But not for influencers. So yeah, I don't know where I get off to make esteem worth more to get credits.


(note: Rings are made by Vermilla. Tailoring goods are all made by Arkzrael. and you want to know the funny part? The artisan goods are made by me? But shhh, it's a secret. Dishonest work right?)

edit: to your edit FoolofSound. Bite me. This isn't a passive aggressive rant. This is being sick of this :censor:. And I didn't name any names of who did what. Person A, Person B. If you know, that's your deal.

Proprietor: Sakr Cimmerii.
--------(Item)-------(Description)----------------------------(Stock)-(Price)-
(Cubes came from me when I was a jeweler. I crafted them, and I restock them from an enchanter with gloves)
cube108294: Enchantment Recharges 138 10gp
cube265891: Enchantment Recharges 791 10gp
cube276236: Enchantment Recharges 392 10gp
(Letters came from the post office before the change)
letter336037: an elegant white letter 262 20gp
(esteem comes from me, my runes, my mask of esteemed beauty, and from other people that I purchase from)
pedestal292180: esteem (an amaranth-emblazoned pedestal 1113 17gp
(Needles here come from gems bought at 30gp each and crafted from the same trader, at 70 gp each. I was selling them at 90 gold each, then dropped the price when the bulk turned out to be too much and had to sell them)
needle229511: a bloody looking needle 8 100gp
(Bought the comms, went to each person who can craft them, and paid for the work. Always give at least 2000 gold tip as well for the work)
figurine70719: a figurine of a shadowlord widowrider 1 200000gp
(Blame the artifact stocking for the feeds, or pocketbelts as presents)
eggfeed: 30gp each 424 30gp
fishfeed: 30gp each 170 30gp
oatfeed: 30gp each 145 30gp


(I am an artisan. I made these. I have the dingbat farms for wood to make these)
watch364533: a bone watch 1 6000gp
watch406562: a braided orchid watch 1 6000gp
watch406598: a green leaf watch 1 6000gp
watch406623: a red pentacle watch 1 6000gp
watch406646: a silver and emerald watch 1 6000gp
watch406738: a two-tailed vixen watch 1 6000gp
watch406792: a butterfly watch 1 6000gp
watch408440: a demonic watch 2 6000gp
watch408945: a black widow watch 1 6000gp
watch409203: a masculine silver and blue watch 1 6000gp
watch409246: a dark blue watch studded with diamonds 1 6000gp
watch409293: an ornate silver watch bearing a diamon 1 6000gp
watch409294: a whimsical watch with musical notes 1 6000gp
watch409396: a man watch 1 6000gp


(I am an artisan, I made these.)
box54356: a red musicbox decorated with angels 1 10000gp
box105394: a fae music box 1 10000gp
box117903: a small iron music box 1 10000gp
box139760: a mirrored musicbox 1 10000gp
box152787: a rosewood musicbox bearing the Ourobor 1 10000gp
box154529: a yellow musicbox decorated with baby a 1 10000gp
box156608: a golden music box of the Ouroboros 1 10000gp
box159402: a crystalline music box 1 10000gp
box206745: a painted wooden music box 1 10000gp
box225827: a shadow-streaked music box 1 10000gp
box226857: a beautiful celestial music box 1 10000gp


(Oh hey look, more artisan goods)
lute177181: a gold-lined ruby lute 1 15000gp
lute206898: a silver-lined crystal lute 1 30000gp
lyre233709: a charred lyre of the Wrathful 1 14000gp
violin239818: a midnight black tear stained violin 1 13000gp
lyre246463: a wooden lyre glittering with diamonds 1 12500gp
lyre246599: a deep purple lyre 1 13000gp
lyre319937: a golden dragon lyre 1 30000gp


(I gathered the comms for these, and went directly to ONE tailor to make them. I only buy from that one tailor, with commodities I'll be gathering.)
gown26029: a black wedding gown 10 3000gp
socks45706: black and white banded thigh-high socks 10 500gp
gown70953: a blood red gown 9 3000gp
slip106603: a black silk slip 9 500gp
tunic144593: a black silk lounge tunic 9 600gp
panties152114: a pair of black wasp panties 10 600gp
gown157972: a tantalizing spider-patterned silk gow 9 3000gp
panties180966: a pair of red and black lace panties 8 600gp
tunic193333: a tunic of pure white 8 600gp
panties204468: seductive thong panties of black lace 5 600gp
tunic243456: an ebon tunic of the night sky 9 600gp
slip246228: a full-body fishnet slip 8 500gp
petticoat246558: an ankle-length ivory silk petticoat 10 700gp
gown257994: a black and silver gown 10 3000gp
gown262351: an intricate, ribbon-wrapped gown of a 9 3000gp
gown275690: a decadent black velvet gown bearing a 19 2000gp
panties275707: ivory and black ruffled panties 9 600gp
petticoat294564: an ankle-length crimson silk petticoat 8 700gp
slip296446: a vermilion silk slip trimmed with ivor 10 500gp
gown297812: a graceful, pale white wedding gown 10 3000gp
dress301399: a dress of silver silk and lunar embroi 9 1500gp
gown307932: a rose hued silk gown, embellished with 8 3000gp
gown313952: a dazzling black wrap wedding gown 10 3000gp
socks318975: some formal black socks 9 500gp
gown322783: an elegant black wedding gown 10 3000gp
gown332204: a chique, form-fitting gown of ebon sil 9 3000gp
panties337488: a revealing pair of scarlet panties 8 600gp
longskirt339035: a long black skirt with straps and iron 8 1500gp
panties348072: elegant red panties 9 600gp
gown349082: a black silken wedding gown 10 3000gp

dress362938: a luxurious midnight black dress of sil 8 1500gp
socks370128: black socks knitted with golden details 8 500gp
dress381029: an alluring split back dress 8 1500gp
panties385927: black silk panties with crimson flame e 8 600gp
dress391848: a long black dress 7 1500gp
longskirt393015: a long, stretchy black skirt 6 1500gp
dress393162: a flirty dress of black gossamer 5 1500gp
shortskirt393194: an angled, short black skirt 9 1500gp
dress393244: a sultry black dress of silk 6 1500gp
longskirt393566: a long skirt of shadows 10 1500gp
dress393628: a stylish dress of silken shadows 7 1500gp


socks60384: a pair of black dress socks 8 500gp
socks90364: a pair of black socks 9 500gp
boxers90777: a pair of black silk boxer shorts 6 600gp
boxers170264: a pair of black silk boxers 9 600gp
tunic174254: a black and silver tunic 8 600gp
boxers189629: illithoid-print boxers 9 600gp
boxers236967: a pair of soft black cotton boxers 8 600gp
tunic274826: a sleeveless black tunic 8 600gp
suit357709: a distinguished black wedding suit 9 3000gp


hat5655: a black skimmer hat with a white ribbon 5 3000gp
robes212903: shadowy runic robes 2 7000gp
robes335465: robes of the dark forest 4 7000gp
robes416114: dark ebon battle robes 3 7000gp
hat422002: a wide brimmed flat-top hat 5 3000gp
robes422155: dark robes of leather and silk 4 7000gp
robes422187: deep crimson battle robes 4 7000gp
robes422204: black robes of crows 4 7000gp
robes422222: a feminine robe of black and scarlet si 3 7000gp
robes422226: elegant black silk robes with white tri 4 7000gp
robes422256: sleek robes of lightless black cloth 4 7000gp
robes422264: robes of shadow 2 7000gp
robes422266: robes of interlaced silken webbings 3 7000gp


(These gems are from the 11k needles that turned out to be worth nothing after the esteem changes. Worth more if they are melted than actual needles now.)
jade: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 802 40gp

opal: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 3000 40gp
emerald: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 3000 40gp
moonstone: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 3000 40gp
beryl: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 3000 40gp
pearl: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 1895 40gp
garnet: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 1638 40gp
bloodstone: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 550 40gp
coral: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 3000 40gp
amethyst: 40gp each 67 40gp
diamond: 40gp each, 37gp over 250, 35gp over 500 1016 40gp
onyx: 40gp each 43 40gp


(HERBS are bought and collected over a period of time. I put the things that don't fit in my rift here. I do that so that I can keep track of them, and if someone wants to buy them, feel free. It's fine. I don't want to hide all of the herbs in the basin. Nothing is gained from that, or being an ass about it. If I were to refill kegs, then I would need these herbs, so I can keep track from outside, or at the aetherplex so I can know, Oh hey, I need this or this for that keg. Or if not here, I can instruct someone to refill, and I'll give them the refund for the gold they spent as well payment for the refills.)
yarrow: 10gp each 2379 10gp
juniper: 7gp each 2346 7gp
colewort: 7gp each 1565 7gp
weed: 11gp each 1 11gp
wormwood: 9gp each 110 9gp
reishi: 15gp each 326 15gp
coltsfoot: 15gp each 415 15gp
kafe: 8gp each 5 8gp
pennyroyal: 9gp each 75 9gp
faeleaf: 9gp each 8 9gp
calamus: 15gp each 478 15gp
marjoram: 9gp each 964 9gp
chervil: 10gp each 344 10gp
arnica: 10gp each 311 10gp
mistletoe: 11gp each 221 11gp
rosehips: 11gp each 328 11gp
sage: 11gp each 2000 11gp
sargassum: 11gp each 1650 11gp
rawtea: 15gp each 1 15gp
blacktea: 30gp each 135 30gp



(Guess what? These are bought from a jeweler, paid at the jeweler's price, then taken to an enchanter, and enchanted at an agreed price. SUPRISE)
ring51461: gust (a braided ring of jade and garnet 50 600gp
ring64566: void (a smooth pearl ring) 79 600gp
ring70452: levitate (a braided ring of opal and mo 45 600gp
ring86483: gust (a twisting ring of amethyst) 2 600gp
ring129651: beauty (a jade scorpion ring) 73 600gp

ring181991: waterbreathe (a braided ring of bloodst 47 600gp
ring234645: scry (a ruby ring carved with flames) 50 600gp
ring285276: cleanse (a braided ring of beryl and ja 48 600gp
ring325305: icewall (a twisting ring of amethyst) 47 600gp
ring332010: kingdom (a pink star ring) 73 600gp
ring441648: mercy (a flame shaped ring of fire opal 68 600gp
ring441805: perfection (a crystal gold ring) 74 600gp
ring444090: a braided ring of opal and moonstone 1 600gp
flute262086: avarice horn (a garnet and ruby flute) 7 5000gp


(Blame the stocking and presents for these.)
eggs: 5gp each 10 5gp
spices: 5gp each 54 5gp
sugar: 50gp each 78 50gp
redtint: 15gp each 640 15gp
bluetint: 15gp each 316 15gp
yellowtint: 15gp each 23 15gp
greentint: 20gp each 368 20gp
purpletint: 25gp each 11 25gp


(OH HEY, ARTISAN GOODS MADE BY AN ARTISAN? Oh my god, that can't be honest at all, there must be some trick somewhere.)
jewelrybox214352: a sharply-spiked jewelrybox 1 5000gp
jewelrybox246543: a delicate pink sapphire jewelrybox 1 5000gp
jewelrybox250160: a jewelry box topped with a scythe 1 5000gp
jewelrybox252307: a metal jewelrybox displaying a crucifi 1 5000gp
jewelrybox252558: a skeletal maw-shaped jewelry box 1 5000gp
jewelrybox256077: a white wedding jewelrybox 1 5000gp
jewelrybox257243: a wooden jewelrybox 1 5000gp
jewelrybox258066: a red velvet jewelrybox 1 5000gp
jewelrybox267608: a platinum peacock jewelrybox 1 5000gp