Estarra:

Monks:
On momentum loss from changing targets:

Roark Libertas says, "How about it drops -1 when it gets that low?"

You say, "So instead of -2, -1 instead?"

Roark Libertas says, "When it gets to 2mo."

Roark Libertas says, "So there is always a penalty."

Roark Libertas says, "Just not so strong at the bottom."

On momentum loss for hitting nothing:

(Iosai the Anomaly) says, "Seems more like a bug to me."

Roark Libertas says, "Yeah that sounds like a bug."

On standardizing grapples:

Estarra the Eternal says, "That seems complicated."

Roark Libertas says, "So make balance modifiers factor in for grapples."

Roark Libertas says, "Not too fond of that one. Is there anyway to adjust base balance generally so that it works for everyone?"

Roark Libertas says, "There really isn't a good way to turn off balance tweaks on a case by case basis."

Roark Libertas says, "Plus generally I don't like completely erasing advantages and disadvantages for race stats."

Roark Libertas says, "Softening them yes, but completely erasing seems to cheapen the races."

Estarra the Eternal says, "Lets say no to that unless there's a better universal idea."

You say, "So if I'm understanding correctly, it's okay to adjust so all races can do it, but not completely removing the disadvantages."

Roark Libertas says, "Yes, I'm fine with that."

On grapples not building momentum:

Roark Libertas says, "Why is this bad?"

(Iosai the Anomaly) says, "Because you can grapple over and over to gain momentum almost unstoppably."

Comprehension flashes across Estarra's face.

Estarra the Eternal says, "Good reason."

Roark Libertas says, "Can't you punch over and over to do the same?"

(Iosai the Anomaly) says, "Yes, but the target can still act back. Grapples are hindering."

You say, "Yes, but grapples hinder you, punches, not so much."

Roark Libertas says, "I see. So no way to defend."

Roark Libertas says, "Makes sense to me."

Estarra the Eternal says, "Ok."

Roark Libertas says, "Shouldn't be hard."

On more parameters for perform:

Roark Libertas says, "Let's table this one, because what we do with the momentum based syntax might impact this one."

Roark Libertas says, "Just combining te syntaxes of those two ideas would be diffiuclt."

Roark Libertas says, "Though I am warm to the other idea."

Estarra the Eternal says, "The other idea being the report 739?"

Roark Libertas says, "The other oen."

On balance loss for kata chains:

Roark Libertas says, "I agree it should behave same as the first in the chain."

On lunge mods:

Roark Libertas says, "Actually this would be easy to code."

On butojo:

Estarra the Eternal says, "I said no caveat."

Estarra the Eternal says, "If we do it."

Roark Libertas says, "I see. I agree."

On akhoosh:

(Iosai the Anomaly) says, "Doesn't it require three specific mantra-types?"

(Iosai the Anomaly) says, "That's quite a big limitation."

Estarra the Eternal says, "I don't mind the raising power oh akhoosh, not sure of hte 2s balance. Its not supposed to be a form of tumble."

Roark Libertas says, "No opinion. Should be easy."

On veil:

Estarra the Eternal says, "Meh, don't see the point, but no objection."

On tattoomaster:

(Iosai the Anomaly) says, "Guild-skills generally exceed trade or general skills in power."

Estarra the Eternal says, "Its supposed to be better than splendor robes, these are monks, splendors are spell casters."

Estarra the Eternal says, "Tattoomaster is a trans skill, same as splendors."

You say, "Tattoomaster is just clearly superior to splendours, and people balance around splendours."

Estarra the Eternal says, "Well they shouldn't."

Estarra the Eternal says, "Diversity is part of combat IMO."

Estarra the Eternal says, "The question shouldn't be is it better than splendors (it is) but is it imbalanced and OP."

You say, "I understand. If the wound reduction from armour stats goes in, it should help with this issue as well anyway."

lilija:

I think you misread it Sylphas. I parsed it as gust, and if gusting them fails, then writhe.

Edenwe:


And how long do you think it's gonna take to do a rewrite? Ninjakari is probably going to be on the bottom of their list of priorities for guilds to fix. In fact, it's probably not even on their scope of awareness right now (You got Druids and Night to fix, which all affects multiple guilds. So nope... one guild's problem can be put off in the back-burner for a few months or even a year). You'll have to bring this up to them in person after all of this special report goes through and constantly pester people to remind them that Ninjakari needs to be fixed for a really long time. Which ironically is just like real life politics. >_>

@Sahm yes, this change will have a very significant impact on Ninjakari, but I don't know that it warrants completely re-writing the skill set from ground up. If you remember REPORT 508's "solution 4" outright dismantled Nekotai Angknek > Slitlock > FinalSting tactics. See here:http://forums.luster...ndpost&p=847781

Secondly, Nekotai had to creatively envoy around various and constant monk nerfs to keep the guild skills viable. I'd encourage your, the guild envoy, and all of Ninjakari to think outside of the box and come up with alternate solutions that honor the nerf. The intention of this nerf is to eliminate grapple spam and delay momentum gain on grapple + enders (not really impacting end momentum strategy outside of enders that have an associated -mo penalty).

Am I right in thinking that Ninshi is BOTH a grapple AND grapple ender? Would it be possible that Ninshi Yank gives a bonus momentum level (like your Ninchu) as a way to compensate for lack of momentum gain on the grapple? This method would deemphasize grapple spam and encourage grapple + ender.