Strongest City

by Unknown

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Silvanus2004-10-27 22:10:55
Well, I'm probably really late on this, because I didn't feel like reading through 20 posts to find out if anyone had said anything, but:

Magnagora is not known for its brute strength, it is known for its advanced technology (hence the name, ENGINE OF TRANSFORMATION), and manipulation. Again, sorry if this was pointed out, I didn't want to read 20 posts of the same thing.
Unknown2004-10-27 23:12:48
QUOTE (Rilandria @ Oct 27 2004, 10:21 AM)
And Visaeris, the reason why many of us think you are a griefer type player is because you have killed people randomly before without any apparent reason, such as Elayna on the Isle of Light... and a reason like 'she was getting sand, I was stopping her' is a stupid cop out reason.

And, in the first week or so, every other hour of playing someone from Magnagora would be in Southgard killing everything, even the women and children. Even though the only thing they really needed were the miners, they still felt the need to kill everything in the village. This, to me, would be an evil practice. If these characters truly weren't evil, then they would at least have honor and only kill that which was necessary. I'm not saying this is how all of Magnagora is, but it is how everyone perceived it to be due to the actions of these characters. So basically in Celest right now the mood is that Magnagora is full of a bunch of people who only know how to kill, and have no other reason to live other than to kill, because that's all they do when they're in contact with Celestians or Celestian related NPC's.

You can't do those things and then try to pull of that you aren't 'evil'. If you want to do that, you have to actually have honor in your practices.


Ok... Well, again, I'll go ahead and add some more insight into Visaeris..

Certian areas are branded offlimits, in his mind, to certain people. If you're found there, you die. As for warfare, warfare for him is total.
Gwylifar2004-10-28 00:00:06
Historically, and archetypically, it's not at all surprising to see "evil" take an early lead because of being organized and obedient and not bogged down by too much internal dissent, committee meetings, and the like. But it's also common for those same traits to eventually even the balance back out; all that ability to be scheming and willing to use betrayal and perfidy eventually bites back. I'm sure the story will play out in many and varied ways in the future.

But for now, no question Magnogora takes the vote on the poll.
Unknown2004-10-28 02:15:12
see, the problem with everything is right now, everyone is seeing Magnagora as a group of thugs...I've seen Celest do thuggier things than any person in Magnagora ever has. As for Serenwilde, well...I never see anything. biggrin.gif
Unknown2004-10-28 04:19:42
while its true that Magnagora is about technology not strength, the amount of people committed and the powerful people that reside in it make it the most powerful city.
Daganev2004-10-28 10:56:18
What do you mean by technology? I havn't really seen much technology in Magnagora. I've seen lots of demons, and noble houses, and Taint which changes things. I'd think the engine of transformation, is another way of saying "Drive of the Taint" But I havn't read the histories in depth. The less I know the easier it is to roleplay what my charachter doesn't know.
Bau2004-10-28 11:15:56
QUOTE (Mr.Jhark @ Oct 28 2004, 01:15 PM)
see, the problem with everything is right now, everyone is seeing Magnagora as a group of thugs...I've seen Celest do thuggier things than any person in Magnagora ever has. As for Serenwilde, well...I never see anything.  biggrin.gif



I see Serenwilde as a bunch of people scrabbling for power and organisation. It's kinda horrible right now. Only 15 more hours till at least part of that is not possible for some of them.
Lisaera2004-10-28 11:58:53
You, of course, want power for purely benign and helpful reasons, Bau?
Bau2004-10-28 12:05:13
I dun want power. I just don't want to see certain people in there and like leading because it's something I've had training in and hate seeing done in a bad way. tongue.gif

I knew You hated me! *looks for a rock to hide under*

Edit: And that was not what I was posting about in this thread... I'm not scrabbling, my name's just in there and I do what Bau thinks is needed. Not everyone's a selfish bast'd. And of course, the only way any of this can be proved is by each and every person in the election to have a period of time to prove themself as a leader. Not as though that's likely to happen, though...
Mordrin2004-10-28 15:34:36
QUOTE (Lisaera @ Oct 28 2004, 12:58 PM)
You, of course, want power for purely benign and helpful reasons, Bau?


Why does everyone find it so hard to believe that some people do want power for helpful reasons? You guys are really jaded.
Unknown2004-10-28 15:36:56
I'm going to have to agree with everyone scrabbling for power in the Serenwilde. Things are a bit of a mess in there. I made a post related to that in the Idiot forum.
Sornillon2004-10-28 15:47:30
The forces struggling in Lusternia are not Good and Evil. Any attempt to apply those labels in front of my character will result in derisive laughter, or a philosophical debate should you have the mental endurance.

Good and Evil are labels a person places on others based on their own norms and values. Therefore, Good and Evil are not absolutes. They are mutable, subjective judgements that depend entirely on the person making them. Without an objective standard of evil which would have to be imposed by an outside force (say, Estarra deciding in her capacity as Big Boss that Magnagora is now Evilville, Basin of Life) then trying to pin such labels on people is truly an exercise in futility if you're trying to use them as a justification for other actions.

I wouldn't even call the Soulless Gods evil, as they were acting according to their natures.
Unknown2004-10-28 15:51:44
Ew, please. Can we just drop the Good/Evil Light/Dark thing? In all my years of Aetolia I got sick of all the definitions.
Sornillon2004-10-28 15:53:39
I wince every time someone says something like the Light vs. the Taint.

Eew. Just... eew.
Lisaera2004-10-28 16:24:09
QUOTE (Bau @ Oct 28 2004, 12:05 PM)
I knew You hated me! *looks for a rock to hide under*


Rubbish, if I hated you, you'd know about it. It's entirely possible that you do want power for benign and helpful reasons, I just found it quite funny that you were talking about scrabbling for power while in an election for leader with a few "scrabblers".
Unknown2004-10-28 16:29:00
Just because someone questions your intentions doesn't mean they automatically hate you, Goddess or not. Have some more self confidence to stick up for your posts, Bau.

Couple hours to go till Serenwilde either becomes worse or somewhat on the road to improvement.
andes2004-10-28 17:33:29
So far I think the RP of Celest and Magnagora has been pretty good (the rp of lusternia in general has been better than I've ever really known it to be in Achaea). I would rather not see everything go to pure good vs evil, or city vs. nature, either. It's too black and white and more shades of gray will probably give us all a better roleplaying experience. One gift we have is the Taint and the Light--they're really no defined. Those born with the Taint don't have to be evil or aggressive. They may just have been born with it, or feel as if they are discriminated against by those in New Celest, or they could be self-hating Taint havers *grin* or they could be stuck up snobs that think the taint makes them better than anyone else, and they wouldn't dare dirty their hands with killing someone who wasn't born with their gift. The possibilities are endless.
The same in New Celest. I don't neccessarily see the Light as religion. It can be everything from a longing for the good old days (and a desire to see them restored) to complete compassion for everyone (even the tainted) to blinding fury. Personally, i see Andes as sort of a not so smart Buddhist--except that he kills rats...and sometimes keeps them in his pocket to pet.
Eldrich2004-10-28 17:40:28
I honestly don't mean to offend anyone but I do believe that in every person running in the Serenwilde elections, while there might be some will to truly help in SOME of you, there is a certain percentage above 50% to have the following:


Power
Prestige
and Fame
Unknown2004-10-28 17:41:21
ya, but needless to say, with all the potential for rp, there will still be some who screw it up.Kinda sucks, but true.
Thorgal2004-10-28 17:42:41
Someone irked he din' become GM Eldrich?