It bothers the living hell out of me when people say stuff about "Oh! Someone was held in Gitmo without proof" So what? They were held....if the police have you as suspect in a case as a terrorist, they aren't going to let you back in the streets to run around....that's just moronic. Now, as for Iraq......the things done there should be done, true enough but the bastards are kidnapping us, performing unthinkable tortures on us ~ask Jessica Lynch~ and the cut off our heads with a dull knife. And then you talk about the world not wanting to be saved, Iraqis wanted and still do want us there. You don't see the news cover it because, as has been stated already, drama gets viewers and thus they only air the bad things. Saddam Hussein used the WMDs that "weren't there" on his own people...nerve gas and biological agents....the guy was a tyrant and the people of Iraq (Well, the majority) wanted him out. I am tired of the people who jump to the conclusion that the media is always right.....talk to some of the people who were in Iraq and they will tell you the truth....ask around, there might even be a couple here.

People are held there for months and years on end without charge for fucks sake. Fair enough, keep them for a few days or maybe even weeks without charge if you suspect terrorism, but YEARS?! If you have something on them, charge them, if not let them go. It is totally immoral and should be illegal (I'm not sure that it isn't).

A quite notable number of the people who were released from Guantanamo, went on to commit more terrorist acts. Hell there is one in Afghanistan right now, who is holding some people hostage.

Well, it is true that it isn't legal. Not to mention the fact that it violates more international treaties than I'd care to count, the supreme court also ruled that the holding of the prisoners indefinately without charging them is illegal.

The Lynch case was extremely overblown by the media and the US government/military reporting of it. Even by her own admission, she was in a crashed jeep, taken in by Iraqi doctors and treated for her wounds and then got handed over to the American troops compliantly. If you are going to pick your cases, pick the factual ones.

Could you provide me with more information including references? I'm just curious since I haven't heard anything close to this to date, and I monitor the news fairly carefully.

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Which part would you like to live in? We can offer you, as a result of your political disgust, more or less a whole sub-continent where you can air your views in like-minded company (the political left enjoy GW-bashing to such an extent it's an vitriolic art-form nowadays, viz. when someone's dog is run over in the streets, it's fairly obvious that it was GW and Ariel Sharon at the wheel, whereas those on the centre/right who actually like Dubya's forthrightness keep very -very- quiet).

We can offer you, in addition, a political institution which we lovingly refer to as the 'European Commission' which will largely take care of your every need, in fact -all- your needs, without your even agreeing to it, because you're too late, unless you're English and damn well insist on national identity on principle, which is seen as modern-day jingoism(!). Maybe you'd like to live in England?

Or perhaps you'd prefer Poland or another Eastern European state? The PolitEuro (great word-play on Politburo, mm?) core in Brussels, rather non-sensically have treated them as stupid country-cousins who don't know any better, instead of the equals they are.

Perhaps you'd like to live in Northern Ireland or the Basque territories, where an inglorious history of civilian bloodshed is writ large on every wall?

My friend, the U.S. ain't so bad, whoever you voted in. At least it has a say in its own future...

Also, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3745962.stm and other examples. Thanks for that.

Actually, that was after she was released by the terrorists that she saw the doctors. She wasn't in a Jeep, the military doesn't even USE jeeps for the most part anymore, it's mostly hummers. She was in a convoy which was hit by an IED and the Iraqis kidnapped her. By her own admission -since you choose to use that- the terrorists broke her legs and raped her. So overblown might not be the words you are looking for....so you pick the factual things here, I seem to be doing fine with it.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/07/...nch.doctors.ap/

"Lynch suffered broken bones to her right arm, right leg and thighs and ankle and received a head injury when her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle."

Broken legs from the accident. Rape story called into doubt, and she herself says she can't remember any rape.

I'd post more links to articles but most seem to be reproduction of the same story.

Edit: And "the terrorists"? This was the Iraqi army fighting in the defence of their homeland.

More complete article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,956255,00.html

You know what my favorite thing is? When people quote bad movies and hoax pictures as snide comments about why they don't like Bush. The tape of Bush at the kindergarden clearly shows that the book was not upside down as the teacher who was there and the time, a one time democrat now Bush supporter likes to tell everyone when she gets the chance.