Yeah, it's weird when the necromancers are the ones that try to protect from overharvesting while celestians and Serenwilders are trying to extinct every herb on their path.

My thoughts in a nutshell -

You started the process too early. The Gods are hella busy with things that actually matter in open beta, so you won't get any help until it all slows down a bit. You seem to be roleplaying it well, but anyone who roleplays anything sensible enough well will have a chance when it comes to things happening and Divine support. I admire your commitment, but you'll have to demonstrate it a lot, 'cause until open beta ends and some more Celani (or demi gods or whatever) come around, I don't think you'll see anything solid.

Plus side: by the time this happens, you'll have good roleplay established, know what you want, and have a couple of solid supporters.

Minus... or negative, or whatever, side: Many who'd like to support you (while they may not be die-hard, you need followers just as much as you need good leaders to start an organization like a guild) will probably give up before your commune is officially formed. But then, I guess when it is, they'll all run crying back to you or just make alts or whatever, so you probably won't have many problems there.

Let me take a moment to thank you for this insight into my actions. I've gotta say I didn't notice I rushed into this one, so I might not've realised it without your help.



I'm glad to hear that you guys approve of the attempt. I more than understand that this isn't something that's going to come together tomorrow or even anytime in the next few months. As a character, I'm willing to wait. As a player, I'm eager, but patient.



Gee thanks. That's encouraging. I've worked on this a total of two days and damn I'm just another guy trying to gain glory on a silly concept. Nevermind the fact that Tasur'ke has no history, Tasur'ke has no backstory, and it's just another place. Glomdoring more or less oozes potential, and I want to take advantage of that. So far I've got about 5 other people who've joined, and I'll keep working at it. I've never done anything like this, so please forgive me if it's not as high quality and superb as your expectations.



ICly and OOCly I'm less than encouraged by the crumbling state of Magnagora's internal affairs. Hardly a shiny city. And so what? It's been 3 and a half or so weeks. I wanted to get Vis involved in some persistent, longterm RP, and this was the best prospect for his character.



And what does the almighty Asarnil qualify as rp'ing building a commune as? I held a small meeting to try and explain what Vis calls "the Way", I've been working to build my small Clan, and I've been working on an ambitious project with another notable mortal who will remain nameless(for now).. What exactly should I be doing? I surely need your approval after all!



Thanks for the constructive post. The last page wasn't all that helpful, and it's somewhat frustrating to have people telling me that I'm not doing anything right and it's all spur of the moment.

Regarding the plus, yeah. Here's hoping. Regarding the minus, yeah, that's a concern. I'm placing a lot of faith in the people who have made decisions to give up so much at this point. I'm really hoping they stay the path, if only so they don't regret giving up what they did. Auseklis mentioned something that I've been milling over, and that's the fact that it is extreme to ask people to give up so much for a distant hope.. I think that in the end, it'll really show who wants to follow the RP and who's just chasing the biggest new thing (after it forms).

Well as long as you know the Gods won't rush in and whip things up cause you now have followers it is a nice long term RP. Good luck with it, I planned on doing one for the Ackleberry in the years to come, started it when I first came, talked to my goddess, etc. We will see how that goes but it won't be for a long while when the Divine are ready for something as big.

People will believe you when you have stuff they can see that you arn't shouting about. The more you verbalise and announce what you are doing, the less people belive your doing it for the story line. Harker for example did things over many many years, and only those involved or close to the people involved saw any of it comming.

Ah, so the fact you only started talking about doing it after you got powerbanned was just an amazing coincidence. How foolish of me.

I don't quite get that.. Somehow by talking about it and trying to encourage people to get into it I'm invalidating it? Why exactly do I have to do what "Harker" did? Why can't I do it more publicly? Is the role that Visaeris is moving into somehow less valid than Harker's?



Actually I talked about it with quite a few people prior to being powerbanned

Visaeris, I've surprisingly been in favor of your RP, and don't just see you/him as some guy going psycho because there are no PvP rules.

On the other hand, I think this is perhaps one of the more foolish decisions you will ever make, and it will undoubtedly be your undoing. The novelty of this crow clan will fade, and when people realize they can't drain power, be in guilds, reap the benefits of cities, etc. they will quickly begin to return to their cities and guilds, and you will be left with very few members. From here, and let’s hope this doesn’t happen, you’ll begin to complain about everything because you’re not getting the divine support you need to keep a clan that has no skills or power going, and become either a nuisance or quit the game.

Take my advice, go back to the cities. Keep your clan, allow them to be part of Magnagora, give the game, the politics, the cities, the communes time to get their acts together. You have no idea where Magnagora, Serenwilde or Celest are headed, because the head leadership has only been in two for or three days.

How does the direction of any of the cities affect Visaeris' efforts in Glomdoring? If people aren't willling to stick out the rough times and the work for Glomdoring then why would they want them anyway? It's an excellent RP opportunity and I think it will work out fine.

If you have a lack of interest, make, like, the Twelve Apostles of Crow. Who can tirelessly work and research the restoration of Glomdoring. When THAT happens, people'll flock.

While I wouldn't phrase it as stronly as Eldrich did, its sort of my thought too. I think you're doing a fine job of it, but its too early, and I don't think you'll get the support you will need to not get frustrated. I think you should have looked for a way to keep it as a subculture or something in magnagora, either secret or with consent of the city.

If I were playing a different character, I'd be right there with you. But despite Olan's huge respect for Visaeris (as a combat commander, which is all he cares about), it would be rediculously out of character for me to pick up and move.

If you can keep a core group of people together that will hold out for the amount of time required to get it going, it'll be really impressive.

I suggest building up your disciples, doing your research, find some IC reason the fledgling coven should return to magnagora (and get their support, obviously) until something is done to fix whatever you decide is wrong with the forest that requires you to return.I can think of a few plots that would cover this ground reasonably well, and no doubt you can do as well or better.

As much as I respect Visaeris IC, I DO think this will be a great opportunity for Vis to learn some humility

Just up to Capable or so.

I've gotten the distinct idea that part of the reason for Visaeris' leaving is the fact that Magnagora isn't suitable for him. I doubt he'd have left if it was his perfect idea of a city.

I'm well aware of that fact. BUT, a city being not ideal this early in the development is a little unfair to the city. We have no history of leaders to draw from, and there is still much to figure out about the dynamics of the world.

I won't claim I know all the reasons Visaeris left, but I know the ones he was vocal about. And of those I know of, I think they could have been overcome from inside the city with effort and patience...both of which he will need in Glomdoring anyway.

AND, my idea was more for the coven when/if they reach a point where they realize IC they need assistance from the only neighbor who might be willing...say for example to reenergize the Ravenwood requires some mystical direct connection with another Nexus for some long period of time and the transfer of x amount of power directly between them...that a slightly more humble General returns to his former home in the spirit of cooperation...perhaps just as Celest and Serenwilde have, between 'combined' forces, pushed Magnagora back from its current strength, so the city will also be humbled...who knows.

Anyway, the point in response to Eldrich was, I bet most of the organizations aren't anyone's favorite or ideal set ups at the moment. I don't think everything is perfect in any of the groups I'm in. But what can you expect this early?

IC: Rauros could care less about what happens in Glomdoring. I doubt he even knows it exists. If he did, he would not openly oppose it until it threatens Celest. May the Light shine on Glomdoring

OOC: Go for it. The more nations, the more competition over villages, the better. The way I see it now, it's Magnagora vs everyone else, and everyone else ain't exactly on the same team neither.

In all honesty, there is no reason for which an event should be automatically as traumatic than receiving a ton of brick on the head. Glomdoring may arise slowly and painstakingly instead of suddenly popping out of the blue.

Now, i say :censor: when people start to say , , or because the baby is born and you can hardly reboot it.The game is persistant, the characters are persistant, and like a room that has no exit door, everything will become more and more complicated as time goes by.

There is no need a for a News Post, or Bank.. heck , i don't even understand why the Serenwilders have access to the Public Board, when they should have their own civilization and their own information net.
Could even be as forestals have more and more influence, roads begin to disappear, public boards become restricted to higher ranked citizen, banks start to charge more, and so and so.

What you need for Rp, a bunch of guys and a sheet of paper, that is all. A few controllable NPC, a forested area, you also need a quest like the star of celest, to keep the motivation high, and that's it.. you have glomdoring

There are a number of people in New Celest that are quite vocal about the overharvesting of herbs. Aquamancers have been instructed to not make permanent demesnes in places where herbs can be planted, and people have been asked not to harvest below 5.
I will not make IC speculations about the other factions here.

Serenwilde is banned from talking about herb limits by Divine order. Though many or most of us observe minimums anyway, as per usual it's the minority going nuts.

To paraphrase Silvanus, "overharvesters are not Serenwilde".

Uhh Serenwilde did that from the start, as I sure Magnagora has, too bad druids can't find out who picked it clean.

We have something like that but it's not really a persistent thing.. It's very time sensitive.

I never said you have to be just like Harker, I was giving an example of how a quite, slow thing became a great entity.

As for serenwilde. I think the issue is a lot larger then serenwilde. Its not just over harvesting, its also over pricing on just about everything that is free to do from an ingame point of view. credits, gemcutting, smelting, harvesting.

Its an economic issue, and personally I don't think it should be tinkered with. However, once bob dissapears, we are all screwed.

And I'm very happy that Auseklis is going to extremess to make sure serenwilde is different then other "forestals" I just wish everyone else would stop imposing prejudices on them. It makes most sense that Magnagora, the city obsessed with power and domination would be most intersted in the well being of plants.

In History, it wasn't the Indians who created eviormental laws, it was the Americans.