Only funny that noone ever said anything that you need some sort of approval, maybe make a public post?

Not even that. None of the planes belong to anyone, you can be killed even on "your city's" plane. Don't travel to a plane unless you accept there is a reasonable chance of being killed.

Nil is more important then Magnagora, without Nil, the Taint wouldn't exist.

Really? *makes mental note to go see Nil some time*

As far as sending rampaging magnagorians into the Earth plane looking for raiders, Ibsen does it because the earth plane is his demesne, and killing invaders himself is just so stressful. The earth plane doesn't belong to Magnagora explicitly no, but the caves are his *home*, and Ibsen is rarely in the mood for guests.

He tolerates Magnagorians because it's a necessary evil. If he killed everyone who came in, he'd never be allowed back into the prime plane, and he'd never get help with all these pesky New Celestians who wander in.

How can you be so sure that it's not the other way around, and Magnagora has not been claimed by the Taint?

Uhm.....except for some Viscanti who feel at home in a tainted area Magnagora doesn't depend on the taint in any way. They existed and lived nicely before the taint came to the world, your reasoning, Silvanus, is..uhm..faulty.
But to spare you all finding more questionable reasons...you kill because you can, nothing more, nothing less. It's sad but so far it is the way it is.

It's not really sad. The planes are designed as battle grounds. That's why the Avenger doesn't protect you there. Combat and strife is a big part of the game, not everyone will fight, but everyone will probably die now and then, because Lusternia is a dangerous place, and the planes even more so.

Just because Magnagora could survive without the Taint before it was Tainted does not mean it can anymore.

Gaudiguch and Hallifax, who had a similar relationship to Magnagora and Celeste, cut each other off from Time because Hallifax ventured onto the planes of Fire and Vortex. Do you really think Magnagora is going to let Celeste stroll on through Nil whenever they feel like it?

Hmmm....I just want to congratulate Mordrin on a good point there.....just thought that I would add that.

But Niara for example doesn't belong to Celest. Please don't say that it's all the same anyway, that's nonsense. Fight your fights if you want to but those who just want to explore or rather just pass leave alone in peace. You have enough enemies to fight, you surely don't need more.

If the cities started publicly claiming ownership of any of the outer planes, I think they would quickly see why people don't like to anger the beings that live out there.

I would like to see someone *not Magnagora* claim Astral and see all of the things from there come out and fight.....that would be interesting to say the least *tries to con Celest into trying it *

Wait a minute...we can head up to their planes and kill them, eat them, steal their power and they don't care. But if we say that the plane belongs to us, they get mad?

Nil owns Magnagora

Celestia owns Celest.

If Baalphegar told me to drown myself in the Pool of Stars, I'd do it

Mmm. Sounds like a plan. I wonder how it'll work compared to Necromentate's puke.

No, please no... I don't want to have to try to hold back the laughter when Celest goes looking for pool-cleaner cabana boys

The city power quests clearly show what type of relationship the cities have to their planes.

And we are talking about planes of existance here, not just another territory... its a whole perspective on reality.

Sometimes, you need to learn how to think inside the box too.

stupid liberal teachers

How old are you Daganev? No one young should be as right wing as you are.

I like how he thinks, for the most part.

Simplicity is the best medicine for him it seems. Or complexity is just annoying to think about.