Right now, it's crows vs. serenwilde. Why not make a stag clan? We can all go enemy-happy, and leave the commune out of it. After all, it would make more sense for some stag followers in a clan to be opposed to the crow followers in the clan.

Anyway, this could generate some more interesting RP.

Or something.

I like it... maybe it will reduce whining

A clan versus clan struggle would probably be very balanced. Hm, especially if you only consider Stag users as White Hart's followers seeing how there isn't that many... though Hartstone would probably be included in the mix

Elaborate. I don't quite get what you're saying/suggesting.

Because it doesn't make sense. The White Hart is one of the great spiritual leaders of Serenwilde Commune... So of course the spiritualists (Moondancers) follow him, and also the Hartstoners follow him (obvious reasons), and it's the Serenguard's job to fight for the commune so if the two above go for it, it's likely they should, too. That's the whole commune unless there are a couple of unguilded.

I don't see how it could work without multitudes of Serens (or Serenwilders or whatever you call them) joining simply to oppose the Crow, or choosing the Stag path for that reason. If you're aiming for a smaller group to fight against, a more 'fair' fight, it just wouldn't work. I don't think Serenwilde would splinter like that.

I'm not looking for a smaller group to fight, because really, I haven't fought any of them yet...

Not everyone in the commune is ready to stand up and defend against whatever threat crow might be, and really, not everyone cares. Clan vs clan would make more sense than clan vs commune.

Then again, my logic never really makes sense to other peolpe.

The thing is Richter, Serenwilde isn't gonna give up any advantage, no matter how small. They don't want a pitched battle, they want to destroy the enemy to the last man without a casulty.. and if that means, 20 vrs 2, so be it. I can respect that.. that's their choice. But it's the way it is, and that's why crow's never gonna get even footing.

Until Glom rises the Seren have an enemy to worry about, so every full moon that Crow is around, he will fall. Its like the battle in the sea between Celest and Magnagora. Just because you guys are small now doesn't mean anyones gonna feel sorry for the anti White Hart people and stop to let them summon Crow and try to kill White Hart. Is it not common sense that the Seren wants to help the White Hart kill Crow?

Richter, while it's a noble idea and does make a bit of sense. Those who wish to actually fight to defend the White Hart could join that clan. However the problem is, it is the duty of the entire commune, in some form or another to serve the White Hart. The White Hart is the bonded spirit to the Hartstone Druids. So it's just not a novel idea.

Am I the only who thinks its funny that everyone keeps talking about how its Hartstones duty to kill crow, but hes been killed by someone else every time?

I dont see what the clan would solve. Everyone would just join the clan - poof, same problem, but now they are part of a clan too!

i only find it funny that richter keeps trying to find reasons to try and get unenemied from serenwilde...he stole power, and is STILL whining about being enemied for joining a group that is totally bent on destroying serenwilde

I personally dislike this idea. The Disciples of Crow are a clan mainly because a Glomdoring community hasn't been founded yet. Why splinter the already unorganized Serenwilde into two factions? If tensions run high enough, it could turn into Moon vs. Stag which could be disastrous for the commune.

Nay.

Its doubtable that it would split serenwilde into factions. Everyone would join, or at least act as though they were part of it.

Are you blind or dumb?

I'm sorry, but seriously, no crow has ever mentioned destroying Serenwilde. If they have, tell me so I can yell at them. The entire purpose of the Crows is the persuit of knowledge and the rebuilding of a Glomdoring community, we have stated that several times.

Yes, yes, I know we have the potential to kill White Hart, although we never once made any plans for doing so, but assuming we are out to destroy the Serenwilde is just silly. Even if we were to kill the White Hart, Serenwilde would hardly miss a beat.

DoC may not have the assassination of White Hart in their personal agenda, but there has always been a struggle between Glomdoring and Serenwilde, ever since Gloriana was transformed. So, even when DoC may currently pursue reviving Crow by any peaceful means, in the end I am positive the struggle between Serenwilde/Glomdoring would be reawakened. Meaning that Glomdoring will try to expand itself, in expense of Serenwilde and guardian spirits.

It would be very interesting if DoC managed to make a commune out of Glomdoring, but you can't really expect for an entirely, already established, organization to be tweaked and seperated in order of this to be achieved. Maybe DoC just needs to find more support, and more planning.

EDIT: An addition to my previous post. This means that if the Serenwilde forest, Guardian spirits come in danger, Serenwilde has to do anything in their hands to prevent this. I am sure such would be the case in any other city vrs. city scenario. BUT, I congratulate people who are trying to revive Crow, especially at such an early stage of realms. Just keep on working, and you might achieve what you desire.

I didn't mean to imply you weren't up for a fight against the entire commune, but the way things are worked out now the quests of that nature are pretty balanced (Celest vs. Magnagora over the supernals and demon lord thingies, that type of thing) so it'd make more sense for a clan to have to fight a clan. But I just don't think Serenwilde would be up for it, or if they were their clan would be just as big as their city... or at least pretty big.

Maybe some guys are under the deceitive feeling that they are genius when they think that Crow is a probable threat for Serenwilde. I mean .. urm.. wow, what an impressive thought which surely must have taken several hours or days of calculation and careful thinking.
Has anyone ever seen a movie in which the bad guy dies one minute after the beginning of the show, hence ending effectively the movie. After all, that would be a huge gain of time.
And actually, Crow hasn't done anything yet, against Serenwilde or Celest or Magnagora, and don't give me any :censor: like looking in the Lusternian history for a RP explaination because killing Crow _without_ any plot development is far from being an RP act.
And the fact that Crow has been constantly killed by a non-Serenwilder further prooves it.

Actually, you'll find that it took quite some time for Serenwilde to kill crow, during which time he was constantly killing the centaur colts and foiling any attempt to complete the Serenwilde quest (true, this was for the obvious reason that he was going to die if it was completed).

Eh, really? He goes around and attacks Serenwilde denizens important to the completion of his death?

*Swoon*

(Beh, now I know we'll have to contend with White Hart, that krazy kat)