Unknown2004-11-24 22:22:44
About the not being any 'mean' fae. Maybe its just because they are all in hiding in the Ethereal Glomdoring? It dosen't really make sense that there would ONLY be the 'nice happy bouncy' fae and not the 'mean nasty grumbly' fae to balance it. They aren't TAINTED, they just aren't NICE. At least, thats my take on a possible Dark Wiccan type guild.
Unknown2004-11-24 22:36:45
Elryn, and Anonymous. Are you posting here OOC, or IC?
Elryn2004-11-24 23:53:12
I'm posting OOC about trying to work more within the framework of the histories for a Glomdoring organization. IC, Elryn wouldn't even consider supporting anything until it has been restored fully to Gloriana, and the things calling themselves Rowena and Brennan were dead and buried.
I also don't like the fact that people want a whole new skillset of 'evil' fae, implying that the current set are 'nice happy bouncy'. As I understand it, the Fae are basically nature spirits. Much as I dislike the terms, they aren't inherently good or evil, they are just Fae. Personally, I would be hard pressed to call a banshee 'nice', 'happy' -or- 'bouncy'. I think it would be great to have three new Fae specific to a night coven to replace our Moon avatars, but I don't think a whole new race will emerge from Glomdoring. If they do, it would redefine the position of the existing fae, and probably the entire philosophy of our guild, let alone commune.
Just my thoughts.
I also don't like the fact that people want a whole new skillset of 'evil' fae, implying that the current set are 'nice happy bouncy'. As I understand it, the Fae are basically nature spirits. Much as I dislike the terms, they aren't inherently good or evil, they are just Fae. Personally, I would be hard pressed to call a banshee 'nice', 'happy' -or- 'bouncy'. I think it would be great to have three new Fae specific to a night coven to replace our Moon avatars, but I don't think a whole new race will emerge from Glomdoring. If they do, it would redefine the position of the existing fae, and probably the entire philosophy of our guild, let alone commune.
Just my thoughts.
Unknown2004-11-25 11:49:34
I say they dont use the fae. I know what your thinking. What, wiccans not use the fae? then their not wiccans!! Your an idiot donnar!! *gasp* yeah yeah, i can see it comming. But honestly, i think they shuld just use darker/ mor esinister spirits. Redcaps? sure. Banshees? why not. But i suggest they use....spirits of the dead. Like the ones I listed above. Then we can have wiccans protecting the ethereal plane, and then you can have the dark wiccans protecting the realm of death or something or other. i dunno. Just my two cents, which really isnt worth two cents, more like a penny. but anyway...
Unknown2004-11-25 16:38:57
Gloriana was Tainted.
The Great Spirits of Gloriana were Tainted.
Why wouldn't the Lesser Spirits be Tainted?
The Great Spirits of Gloriana were Tainted.
Why wouldn't the Lesser Spirits be Tainted?
Sylphas2004-11-25 21:26:00
QUOTE (Elryn @ Nov 24 2004, 06:53 PM)
I also don't like the fact that people want a whole new skillset of 'evil' fae, implying that the current set are 'nice happy bouncy'. As I understand it, the Fae are basically nature spirits. Much as I dislike the terms, they aren't inherently good or evil, they are just Fae. Personally, I would be hard pressed to call a banshee 'nice', 'happy' -or- 'bouncy'. I think it would be great to have three new Fae specific to a night coven to replace our Moon avatars, but I don't think a whole new race will emerge from Glomdoring. If they do, it would redefine the position of the existing fae, and probably the entire philosophy of our guild, let alone commune.
Exactly. As it is, we lead fae to the Moon avatars and they switch from being loyal to Faethorn to being loyal to the Moon Spirit. I'd assume it would work the same way with Glomdoring, and them becoming loyal to Mother Night. There's absolutely no reason to have a new set of fae or a new skillset, aside from wanting to have shiny new things.
Unknown2004-11-25 21:46:00
then there's no diversity, and we have ourselves another achaea. 17 guilds, and only 5 guildsets. where's the fun in that? I see you point, but as iggy said, if glom is tainted, and the greater spirits are tainted, and the land is tainted, why wouldnt the lower spirits be tainted?
Unknown2004-11-25 21:46:34
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As it is, we lead fae to the Moon avatars and they switch from being loyal to Faethorn to being loyal to the Moon Spirit. I'd assume it would work the same way with Glomdoring, and them becoming loyal to Mother Night. There's absolutely no reason to have a new set of fae or a new skillset, aside from wanting to have shiny new things.
I agree slightly , but since Fae DID live in Glomdoring, (which was Tainted, along with everything/everyone in it), wouldn't most of the Fae that the wiccans in Glomdoring use be Tainted? That makes sense. Serenwilders conjure Fae that live in Serenwilde, they should conjure Fae that live in Glomdoring, and which were warped.
Unknown2004-11-26 01:03:53
From "Diary of Rowena Nightshade: Meeting Destiny"
Maybe it's just me, but all this seems to imply: One, the fae in Glomdoring aren't tainted, and two, the fae in Glomdoring are all dead.
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While I lingered with Mother Night, I felt that Presence, that Almighty Presence, push forth further into the world, making more of it his as should be his right. And, no, this great and powerful Presence did not just transform the body, but transformed the spirit too! Already, he transformed the Higher Plane of Shallamar into an image pleasing to himself. Even the Holy Emanations of Shallamar were remade into reflections of the Presence, more powerful and magnificent than before. The elemental plane of earth was his, and through Gloriana, the Presence reached into the Faethorn Realm.
The fae, however, are resistant to the Almighty Presence, and we travel through the rent in the earth that once was the Great Ravenwood, and pass into the ethereal realm, claiming all that the Almighty touches. As I squeeze the essence from the pixies and willowisps, from the sylphs and wood nymphs, and feed my ravenous Master, I cannot help but feel bemused that once I protected these weak and pathetic beings. They cry at me, “D’or glom! D’or glom!†That means “have mercy upon us†in the tongue of the fae. I answer back, “F’ai glomdoring!†That means “I have no mercy.â€
The fae, however, are resistant to the Almighty Presence, and we travel through the rent in the earth that once was the Great Ravenwood, and pass into the ethereal realm, claiming all that the Almighty touches. As I squeeze the essence from the pixies and willowisps, from the sylphs and wood nymphs, and feed my ravenous Master, I cannot help but feel bemused that once I protected these weak and pathetic beings. They cry at me, “D’or glom! D’or glom!†That means “have mercy upon us†in the tongue of the fae. I answer back, “F’ai glomdoring!†That means “I have no mercy.â€
Maybe it's just me, but all this seems to imply: One, the fae in Glomdoring aren't tainted, and two, the fae in Glomdoring are all dead.
Unknown2004-11-26 02:08:35
which is why we should use th epsirits of the fae and not the fae themselves. ie: a pixie dies. they use spectre pixiies! if tha tmakes any sense...
Elryn2004-11-26 02:17:59
QUOTE (Donnar @ Nov 26 2004, 12:08 PM)
which is why we should use th epsirits of the fae and not the fae themselves. ie: a pixie dies. they use spectre pixiies! if tha tmakes any sense...
That -could- work, I suppose... They probably wouldn't be wiccan class though, which would mean creating an identical specialization with different descriptions. Hmm, I guess that's one way to focus on death rather than life, and not be associated with taint.
IC though, Elryn would say what does the spirit of a nature spirit mean, and why would it act different in death?
Unknown2004-11-26 17:55:58
a wraith pixie. it's an undead ghos tof a pixie with a bad attititude. picture......a tae'dae with a bellyache that just got smacked on the rear with a spiked club, and th epermisison to take it out on the first thing it see's. undeath messess with the mind and souls of beings, so, if w ehave undead fae, their going to be very dark and nasty. theoretically.
edit: why the hell do wiccans get a wil-o-wisp? for those of you who sall LOTR2, remmeber the dead marshes? the glowing lights that lured frodo to near death? that was a wil-o-wisp. their evil mean, nasty little spirits. but perhaps, if the new class is up, maybe they'll switch sides, and the wicca's will have another fae to take their place?
edit: why the hell do wiccans get a wil-o-wisp? for those of you who sall LOTR2, remmeber the dead marshes? the glowing lights that lured frodo to near death? that was a wil-o-wisp. their evil mean, nasty little spirits. but perhaps, if the new class is up, maybe they'll switch sides, and the wicca's will have another fae to take their place?
Roark2004-11-26 19:30:34
QUOTE (Donnar @ Nov 26 2004, 01:55 PM)
edit: why the hell do wiccans get a wil-o-wisp? for those of you who sall LOTR2, remmeber the dead marshes? the glowing lights that lured frodo to near death? that was a wil-o-wisp. their evil mean, nasty little spirits. but perhaps, if the new class is up, maybe they'll switch sides, and the wicca's will have another fae to take their place?
Wiccans are not explicitly good. In fact, letting Celest get obliterated without lifting a finger was evil, mean, and nasty. (See the history if you don't know what I'm talking about.) So fae like this one helps exemplify that Serenwilde is not Oakstone nor quasi-aligned with the forces of good like Oakstone and the Church joined in their hatred of necromancers. Serenwilde is pro-nature and should have some amount of a nasty streak in it. Again, I like to use the infamous Unabomber (Ted Kazinski) as an example. If he lived in this imaginary realm then he would fit in perfectly with the historical Serenwilde and probably would have looked into ways to hasten the demise of Celest rather than letting its destruction run its natural course while still being perfectly compatible with what Serenwilde stands for.
Unknown2004-11-27 01:22:56
good point....
Daganev2004-11-27 03:19:44
Do the fae fall under a totem skillset or what? with the cities you have a basic guild structure that has different specialization, but most of the skills overlap.
Elryn2004-11-27 07:32:10
QUOTE (daganev @ Nov 27 2004, 01:19 PM)
Do the fae fall under a totem skillset or what? with the cities you have a basic guild structure that has different specialization, but most of the skills overlap.
The wiccan class shares the skill of Nature with druids, but we then specialize in wicca (the fae magics) rather than druidry. We also have three fae to summon that are unique to Moondancers, while the rest are quite general.
Gwynn2004-11-27 10:26:40
As one of the more vocal in-character opponents to the Glomdoring Commune, I as a player would love to see one. There has never been a "Forestal" type in an IRE with such a dark and tainted twist as Glomdoring would have. It would be something original and exciting, and I'm one of the ones that will be suffering for their coming (more than likely)!
I think that the Glomdoring would still have the 3 standard archetypes, Druid Wiccan and Warrior. Their take on those classes would naturally be different though, and thats the interesting part.
I think that the Glomdoring would still have the 3 standard archetypes, Druid Wiccan and Warrior. Their take on those classes would naturally be different though, and thats the interesting part.
Gwynn2004-11-27 10:36:37
QUOTE (roark @ Nov 27 2004, 06:30 AM)
Wiccans are not explicitly good. In fact, letting Celest get obliterated without lifting a finger was evil, mean, and nasty. (See the history if you don't know what I'm talking about.) So fae like this one helps exemplify that Serenwilde is not Oakstone nor quasi-aligned with the forces of good like Oakstone and the Church joined in their hatred of necromancers. Serenwilde is pro-nature and should have some amount of a nasty streak in it. Again, I like to use the infamous Unabomber (Ted Kazinski) as an example. If he lived in this imaginary realm then he would fit in perfectly with the historical Serenwilde and probably would have looked into ways to hasten the demise of Celest rather than letting its destruction run its natural course while still being perfectly compatible with what Serenwilde stands for.
Consequently, this is exactly the kind of sentiment I've been trying to put across in Serenwilde, but people just dont seem to get it. I tell them we're not freedom loving hippies and they tell me I'm "Too trigger happy". Why did all these crap people take crap ideas into this game? Serenwilde had such potential >.<
Unknown2004-12-01 15:40:55
as i said.....most nature guilds ive ever envountered are happy-go lucky tree dwellers. I'm kinda tired of that, i want to be a brutal, nasty, ruthless nature lover. i remember in imperian, i had a kohdon who was a descendent of alligator and black dragon. He was so super aggressive, even to his own guildmates. So much, in fact, that th enovices continually attacked him. He later joined the order of thanatos, and much heat came to poor grimslade because he wasnt like "them" and was "darker" than the rest of the hunters.
Unknown2004-12-02 10:50:25
QUOTE (Gwynn @ Nov 27 2004, 12:26 AM)
There has never been a "Forestal" type in an IRE with such a dark and tainted twist as Glomdoring would have. It would be something original and exciting, and I'm one of the ones that will be suffering for their coming (more than likely)!
Correction, Ithaqua existed in Imperian. It was a dark forest council of black pines, frozen in the north, the roleplay revolving around tribal beliefs, involving such things as "eating the prey that weeps" (Sacrament of the Flesh) aka cannibalism of other Ithaquan's (It would be a dishonour to your fallen friend to leave his corpse, and not use every part of it.)
A quote from their Creed, describing the Ithaqua.
The Ithaqua is feral, brutal, and harsh. Look at the creatures of the
woods. Killers all, and bloodthirsty ones. The wolves of the Ithaqua
have been seen to kill their prey and take the corpse, leaping off to
devour it elsewhere. The pragmatism and savagery inherent in the woods
is embodied in the people of those woods.
QUOTE (Donnar @ Dec 1 2004, 05:40 AM)
as i said.....most nature guilds ive ever envountered are happy-go lucky tree dwellers. I'm kinda tired of that, i want to be a brutal, nasty, ruthless nature lover. i remember in imperian, i had a kohdon who was a descendent of alligator and black dragon. He was so super aggressive, even to his own guildmates. So much, in fact, that th enovices continually attacked him. He later joined the order of thanatos, and much heat came to poor grimslade because he wasnt like "them" and was "darker" than the rest of the hunters.
...an alligator and a black dragon? You weren't well-liked over there were you...