Recently there have been a number of newbies and novices getting attacked and completely crippled by statues placed in the villages tuned against all members of a particular city. I understand that those villages when under the influence of those cities are technically their properties and can do as they wish, but should they be hitting newbies players who have no way of getting out of them?

I've also heard that grace of innocence does not protect them from those statues as well so if they run into a statue that afflicts with anorexia, paralysis, impatience, masochism, studipity, and recklessness for example have no way of getting out by themselves and may very well kill themselves with masochism.

If it was possible to disallow organizations to tune their statues/totems against non-enemied players in villages, then that would save a lot of troubles and spare innocents that have done nothing to another organization except being in an opposiing city.

The problem is those statues can't be removed. What does this mean? A Celestian can't wander the Serenwilde-controlled Dairuchi. My charecter got hit twice by those statues.

They hurt.

*Note-These are Magnagoran statues*

You can't make any special allowances for newbies. As it's been proved in all the IRE Muds, people make alts to abuse these allowances.

I think it sounds like a good way to learn quickly how to take care of yourself. If you're being pampered with special treatment, you're just going to get floored by statues constantly when you hit level 21. Besides, what does a few deaths as a novice mean? You gain the lost experience back in a snap.

True, but it's also a pretty lame way to kill newbies who don't know where they're going. Yes, they can learn from it, and realize the dangers of going to certain places, but sometimes, they just get really confused, and have no idea what the hell just happened.

Firstly, statues cant hit with anorexia. Second, the statues in Dairuchi are bugged, thats why they cannot be taken down.

As Iggy said, all that would do is give certain individuals the option of making newbie alts to bypass the statues and then act as a teleport target for raids.

I admit, it's a problem, but it's not a whole lot different than a newbie wandering into an area with aggressive mobs and getting killed. Just a place you want to remind newbies to stay away from until they can properly handle it.

There will always be those who create novice alts for abusive reasons. That doesn't mean that you because punish those who are real novices for the actions of a few. Otherwise, why not remove PORTALS to prevent people from creating novice alts to raid/annoy/harrass, then use PORTALS to escape? Why not remove Grace of Innocence to prevent those who would hide behind it?

You don't remove PORTALS because real novices get lost, and exploring is part of what draws the attention of novices and encourages them to stay.

You don't remove Grace of Innocence because letting novices get mowed down at random is incredibly discouraging to them, regardless of whether the xp lost is easily regained. Granted, Grace is bugged right now, but that's a separate issue.

No, novices shouldn't be coddled. But they should be given a break. For a real novice, Lusternia is an entirely new world, and they will have enough issues with getting lost, learning how to bash without dying, and understanding their skills, without needing to be slammed by totems just because they were exploring and walked into the wrong village. Walking in the wilderness and being attacked by aggressive creatures is one thing. But walking in a village, just off one of the main roads?

Challenges are a learning experience only up to a certain point before they become so discouraging that the person quits.

If a novice helps in a raid of your village, then enemy them. Then tune your statues against city enemies, and you'll be fine. If the novice is an alt and is abusing HELP SECONDS, then report it. People get shrubbed for this stuff because that's what it is -- It's abuse. No, you're not going to catch every alt abuse this way, but you also won't catch the ones reading your city board or logs, or listening on your city channel for information to be used by another character.

Edit: typo

I've always fundamentally disliked statues that can hit newbies, if just because the kind of powerless, relatively slow deaths they give are particularly frustrating to experience. Seconds abuse aside, I agree that tuning statues to people who are actually enemied to an organization rather than against blanket groups would go a long way towards helping.

The 'Grace of Innocence' is... horribly bugged. None of my novice characters have ever had it, to my knowledge, and i'm not sure that i've seen any actual newbies (around Newton etc) with it either. I just checked the novices in my guild currently online - none of them, not even one who just started not 10 minutes ago, has it.

And yet i've seen characters like Visaeris walk around with it - using it to 'explore' Celest Grace of Innocence is not the way to fix this one.

heres an idea... make metagaming illegal and a bannable offense. I hate metagaming. Im a roleplayer. I like making a character history and if something ever went wrong the last thing I would do is make another character to get back at something that that character has no idea what happened since they are seperate characters. It's extremely stupid that people are this dumb and they should all be severely punished for being stupid idiots.

Yeah I got hit by those statues Mag put up in Delport before they were taken down. Being oppressive to an enemy city is one thing but downright griefing and metagaming is another and we as players and roleplayers should band against people like this.

I've come accross quite a few people (mostly ones whining about pacifism) completely griefing with no roleplayed reason. These people seem to only play to piss other people off and the only ones I've met have been strictly Magnorian's and mostly Geomancers. I've no respect for them and if I come accross them my character will treat them in the meanest and cruelest possible way he can. Expect no mercy from me, Whiners. My character isn't the only one who hates you. I do too and I dont like the assholery Mag stands for lately. The words "evil" and "asshole" have two different meanings, and so far, you've only learned 1 of them.

Who said Magnagora was evil?

Those poor virgins and and goats in the astral realm that has been abused!!

well, they consented to it, dang it!

hehehe


Anyway....let's see, uh, you hate metagamers, eh? so then why discriminate against all magnagorians? I can see your point, and it's valid, but i can see the city's point. it places them there to defend it against it's enemy, celest. it's like....modern day armies putting up defensive outposts in abandoned building sin cities they are occupying. to make sure an enemy infiltration wont happen, that's all. To be honest, all you who complain about mag being meta's by doing this, that, and the other thing, should just do one thing. shut up and silence them in the game. my goodness, comming ontot he forums, ranting and raving, and hoping the divine are going to do something isnt going to help you. you want the problem solved, go solve it yourself. if you were real rp'ers, then you wouldnt sit here and complain complain complain and not do anything. fortify your villages, fortify your city, devise offensive and offensive tactics,people. sure, mag is full of tank players, but on any given day, they can fall if you use the right tactics. well, im done ranting now. feels good to let off a bit of steam.

On a side note, the worst serial killers I've seen are actually from Celest. Reference to Aqua Applicant Azar, AKA Namit,

Geomancers? please send me a message as I was under the impression that all of one geomancer was out there fighting the fight, and even then she mostly didn't start the mess, only ended it.

Of course, if your romping across a demesne, in a village you are enemied to... what are you expecting? Punch and Pie?

you know math, a smuch as I really dont see eye to eye with you on stuff, i have to agree with you on that one. I mean, come on, kids, he's got a point. so your mad about how they get you (in a very feasable way i might add) and all of a sudden, you come on here to complain about HOW their playing the game. For example. Your in the army. Your country has just occupied a certain town. are you going to let everyone and anyone just waltz into your zone? no, your going to question them, an dif their a militant threat, you take them out. just because their a newbie doesnt mean they cant be a threat. As posted above, they can just waltz in and become a detour for people to invade oyur territory. well, then you say, why not get rid of portals, cause they can do it for citites!! well, folks, the thing is, your always going to have players in the cities to defend it! i mean, send an entire newbie army into magnagora. you can just summon all you want, but there's always going to be someone in there to defend it. Now, let's take a look at a village, like estelbar. well, people arent always going to be there to defend it, thus, the statues. I dont see anything wrong with it. teach your novices where to go and where to look out for if you want to avoid it. easy enough,right? we're all smart people here, right?

Magnagora isn't evil, its time you stepped away from D&D and the whole "good vs evil" mind-set.

Magnagora -hates- Celest, why would we let anyone from their city to walk around in a village they control, regardless of whether they are a novice or not.

As for Magnagora being.. 'assholes' well, I'm sure you'd think the same about Celest if you weren't from there. Why do you think we're that bad? Is it because we view ourselves as being better then everyone else (which is arrogance) or maybe its because we've done a good job at giving Celest very little to work with?

This isn't a game where everyone likes each other. There's supposed to be conflict and hatred. If you don't like it, its -really- easy to stay away from Magnagora and Magnagoran villages.

Well, first off, do you actually have a point? I see that you hated meta-gaming, but at the end of your post, I'm still left wondering where the point is.
But what you are saying is that you hate all the evil, asshole PLAYERS who play the characters who live in Magnagora.
Wow, makes me thing you are thirteen. Me, I'm a great guy. I live with my girlfriend, we have cute little problems, like I want us to get a dog, and she's allergic. I occasionally play an evil asshole on an online game, does that make me an evil asshole?

I really don't like you.

Yeah, and he's not the only one. Characters like Aris and his allies are worse than almost any Magnagoran for that kind of thing. Visaeris was too, but of course he's no longer a Magnagoran.
(note, characters, not players. I'm sure you're both nice guys really.)