I've always felt more of a Rennascience-era vibe from Lusternia.

Wear a tabard without anything else.. (See, it's useful!)

If the tailoring cartels are anything like the cartel I'm in, they're still allowed 20 public designs per year. Surely they can't all be filled with lingerie? I might be wrong, but the variety of clothes that I see in shops is nowhere near the variety of jewelry that's available, and it can't be that much harder to design clothes... Perhaps some of you people who are complaining about the lack of decent clothes should get designing (Even if you aren't a tailor, you might still be able to get your designs submitted and at the very least could write them OOC for an IC tailor to submit to their trademaster)

Lots of people associate Lusternia and, indeed, the other IRE games with a Medieval clothing style and atmosphere, but the games' designers also based them quite heavily on ancient Greek culture as well. The Fates, for example, actually existed in Greek mythology in the same roles they play here. Perhaps some designs along those lines as well wouldn't be out of order?

*Pretends not to notice the fact that Celest is laid out almost exactly like Rome if you substitute certain guild halls from temples of Jupitor and Janus... also bashing critters out of Roman Mythology, latin popping up here and there (not in titles, those of us who know Latin know what I am talking about.) and many other parrellels.*

In other words, thinking Greece has the biggest influence in an IRE game is like saying Star Wars main themes arn't directly ripped from the history of the Roman Empire. (Republic to Empire, that falls to a bunch of rabbal sound familier?)

Greece actually has a lot less influence in IRE then people think, Imperian was so sateraited with Roman lore that it was seeping out its pores. (Janus, Antioch, Stavenns leadership and city rank titles as well as room names, Anathema... the list goes on and on and on.) Achaea was named after a bloody Roman province, enough said, and *gasp* so was Aetolia!

Hehe, ok enough ruining the illusion for everyone..

50 points to the person who can tell me the name of the IRE God that in its native language means 'An offering to a god.'

100 points to anyone who can name the god who has a variation of the name of the Etruscian people.

(And since I was asked nicly, the Nilisht guild is a rooted in the Latin word for 'nothing' Card players may be familier with the word, 'Nil')

True, but most of Rome's culture was lifted with slight, if any, modification from Greek culture. Achaea was a Roman providence, but it was also a Greek group. IRE games tend to use the Latinized spellings, but it's almost all Greek originally.

Any points about large amounts of Roman culture being strongly derived from the Greek mythology aside, this one I had to nitpick. Aetolia was part of the Roman province of Achaea, and existing on its own long prior to the Romans. The Achaeans invaded Greece due the late 3rd millenium BC, the Romans used their name for the province covering the whole of Greece.

http://www.unrv.com/provinces/achaea.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetolia

(The bit about Celest mimicing Rome's layout is very cool though, IMO)

Delos was a Greek island held by Athens where they held their Treasurery.

Cyrene was a city-state on the north cost of Africa in the province of Cyrenica, Attica (Aetolian village) is the area where Athens is located. Achaea/Aetolia are both small areas in Greece.

Gah I hate when people say most of Latin Culture was lifted with Greece. Greece wasn't even heavily factored until after the SECOND PUNIC WAR. This is well into the Republic, the rise of the Empire is just over the horizon.

Etruscian and Latium culture where Romes biggest influences. While later arcitecture resembles greek, they are finding that what they thought were astethic differnces are in fact replications of the Etruscian building designs, which may have borrowed from Greece, or Greece may have borrowed from them, there is no evidance for or agansit.

Furthermore, even with the introduction of greek gods, few, other the hercules, will enter the state religion as anything more then foot notes. Some do have qualities merged with Roman Gods, but dispite popular beleif, the Roman Mythology was actually quite different then Greece.

Where this beleif of the heavy simularities between Rome and Greece come from, I am not sure, but I know I used to have them, but in the end, the simularities are extremly minor.

Even in philosphy, they are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

Oh well, enough rant for today...

Sil, if they used the Greek spelling, I would agree, but they don't, for both Achaea and Aetolia, they use the Latin versions of. Also when you look at anything in North Africa, its going to be Alexendar, or Rome for the most part. (The Phoenicians had a large influence, with cities like Carthago, but we all know how that went... see Punic Wars, Scipio, and the effects of salt on farmland...) But yeah, we can go back and fourth on this all night...

Side note, Aetolia and Achaea are actually part of Pharta/Turkey, they are in Aisa Minor, during the height of Byzantine, they would be renamed Anatolia and Lesser Anatolia respecivly. (Severl other variations of this name, but those would last until the Turks took over everything and renamed it all.)

*Mixed up Phoenicians for Persias, my error, me fix

You seem to have things mixed up Nementh. Greeks were influenced by Phoenicians, who were traders who dominated the Mediterreanean (I can never spell that damned sea). But, the Phoenicians also influenced the Italian penninsula. And, Greece did heavily factor Italian penninsula before Rome was even around, Greek traders were based in Sicily which also helped influence the Etrusacans.

Etruscians saw pheoncian influance as was evident in pottery and metal working, but remember, Sicly is the sourthern most part of Italy and the Etruscians settled North of Latium, with Rome rests in the middle of. Latium divided Greeks and Etruscians quite a bit.

Not saying there wasn't influence, but there is no where near as much influence as people claim.

On a side note... how did we get from Mini Skirts to a debate on the influence of Greece on Roman Mythology, to talking about Greek influence on the Etruscians, an even more vague topic?

I thought Aetolia was a province in Greece? Type Aetolia on its own in Google.

Since you bring it up, yes, Nilihism has its roots in the latin word "nihil", but nihilism is actually a modern-day English word meaning, as I understand it, the belief in nothing - that is, that the universe would be better off barren and empty because what there is now is just strife and so forth.

Hippies.

I thought this was about mini-skirts being abomininable snow men?

Anyways back on topic to clothing. I would like to see more Archetype oriented clothing. Magi is a term for Zoarastrians, persian scholars. Perhaps put some turbans and things of that nature. Curled toed shoes?

For Knights it would be nice to have tabards and things of that nature that can be worn with armour. Plumes to stick in helmets?

With the Guardian archetype you could have a variety of priest garments (as there are a lot) ranging from hats, sashes, robes, togas, and the like.

Darnit Qaletaqa, you posted my idea.

Celestines and their counterparts are basically priests and priestesses, so yes, I want to see some robes and togas and clothing with that lifestyle in mind.

Heh I would love to see a guardian from celest wear a habit, and veil. I know it would be kind of silly, yet kind of interesting. I would wear a habit, acctually you know what I think I will go about trying to make one so I can wear it.

Togas were the average clothing of Roman's (What the greeks wore was not a toga, it was closer to a robe then a toga, although exactly what they called it I can not remember) Pants wern't big in the Med... it was northern europe and North Africa that had a fasicnation with pants...

Togas have nothing to do with priests

And I don't want to see stereo typical priest and mage outfits, I want to see mages and priests of Lusternia decide on their own 'standard clothing.' I see robes being a hinderance to Geomancers, and Aquamancers a lite. (All those swirling pebbles have to slice crap up, and has anyone walked around in a soaked robe?)