The elder gods are given the appearance of total pansies. Where in the histories did an elder god kill a soulless god? All I remember is them getting broken into the mortal races or running away. In any case, they obviously lost to them overall.

The Elder Wars history hasn't been released yet, so that would be where in the histories Elder Gods killed Soulless Gods.

Also, they weren't broken, as Hazar said they splintered themselves because they didn't want to abandon Lusternia.

Finally, if they lost, how come Elder Gods still exist and the Soulless Gods are sitting trapped and useless? Speaking from an OOC standpoint, it seems like a smart thing to do to have other people get themselves killed to get rid of your enemies rather than you. This may sound nasty, but isn't that exactly what armies are?

Oh, and I maintain that Roark is to blame for us leaving Lusternia.

They lost, though they didn't die. They ran away it would seem. One could say that being 'broken' or 'splintering themselves' is semantics, but it says a lot if that was the only alternative to running away, no?

Saying "oh, I just got someone else to kill them for me" could always be a sly way to say "I made a mad dash for saftey"

I wonder into what races would the Gods that still exist break into, if they were forced to by the soulless ones.

Race: Auseklia (singular: Ausekl)

An argumentative race of dark-skinned, tall and muscular humanoids. Quite good at looking intimidating, in which helps them the fact that most Auseklia tend to have a piece of weaponry instead of one of their hands.

An Ausekl's base statistics are:
Strength: 13 Dexterity: 10 Charisma: 14
Constitution: 14 Intelligence: (I'd rather not insult Auseklis) Size: 13

They have a racial language, Auseklistic.
They regenerate health and mana while in forests, level 1.
After reaching level 50, they gain an ability to SCARE people by staring at them. (Syntax: STARE )
They receive less experience, level 1.
(not having a chance to play Lusternia, I cannot check the help-file syntax... or something... you know what I mean)

Or something like that.

.... how about not...

It seems though, that the Vernal Gods were slightly more effective. Remember, the Elder Gods may have killed a number of Soulless Ones, but the point remains, they could not defeat Kethuru, the Almighty... or Illith, the Destoyer, for that matter, seeing as those two, as well as about 50 others remained. So in effect, they picked off the weaker ones, but could not manage the more powerful Soulless.
Now, when the Vernal Gods came into existance, much had happened, and the Soulless were elsewhere in the multiverse feeding. This gave time for the mortal races to prepare, and build civilizations, which they did. When the first Vernal God was raised, the underwater city (forgot its name at the moment, sorry) was under attack by Illith, the Destroyer. At this point, Gorob... a.k.a D'Varsha, as he later became known as... was first attempting to raise himself as a Vernal God. After years of preparation and work, the man made nexus which the people of the city built and covered with runes was literally just completed and ready as Illith began devouring the outer edges of the city. Suddenly, Gorob uttered the words of power, while standing at the top of the nexus... transferring all the power out of the nexus and into him, resulting in ascencion to a Vernal God. No, D'Varsha alone could not defeat Illith, but later did, with the aide of the other Vernal Gods to soon be raised.
Getting to the point, only the last 50 or so Soulless Ones remained. All of these were the creme of the crop, the most powerful of the once numerous Soulless Ones. Somewhere around 100 or more Vernals Were raised, and slowly, they picked off the Soulless, until only Kethuru, the Almighty remained. Now, some argue that, oh, they didn't defeat him, they only trapped him for near eternity (yes, the seal may be broken, but hence the purpose of Avechna). To me, it seems trapping him and rendering all his Great and Terrible powers useless, is a pretty good victory... even though they had to sacrifice themselves in the process, they still managed to do what the Elder Gods could not, which is rid the Multiverse of the Soulless Ones.
So, perhaps the Elder Gods are more powerful on an individual basis, but the Vernal Gods were much more effective...
No offense to you Elder Gods listening to this..... please dont eat me.

Just a few corrections - there were a -lot- of Vernal Gods. The mortal races almost destroyed themselves simply because they couldn't keep up with the amount of power required to keep raising Vernals because they were being slaughtered.

There were fewer than 50, more like 20 or so, and there were hundreds and hundreds of Vernal Gods, out of which only 9 made it to the end. Just for reference, if you took the entire active playerbase of Lusternia and put them online at once, you'd probably have close to the number of Vernal Gods that there were. Think about what is and isn't possible with all of those people... see how short the second list is.

On the other side, the number of Elder Gods was measured in scores, maybe only tens, certainly not hundreds. Elder Gods are not a renewable resource, you can't keep making them if they die. Whereas Vernals are, in God terms, cannon fodder. Only those 9 who were truly strong are really worth counting and had a lasting effect on the world.

Elder Gods dying brings me onto another point, "being broken" and "splintering themselves" is not a question of semantics at all, it is a very important disctinction. When the Elders were slain they were slain, nothing survived, just like when a mortal dies finally. Those that chose to splinter themselves did just that, they made a choice. They chose not to stop fighting, but to carry the fight on in a different way. Without those sacrifices the mortals would never have existed and therefore neither would the Vernals.

Personally, I could see this argued as the more noble action. They sacrificed their own consciousness and being so that life could go on and there might be some hope for the future.

Also don't forget that the Elder Gods *killed* soulless, whereas the Vernals only managed to trap them somewhere that they hope to keep them indefinitely.

How many Veral Gods do you think it would take to slay an Elder? Ten or so? Maybe twenty?

And yes, the splintering, in the end, was perhaps the bravest thing for the Elders to do.

And I'd say 10 competent vernals could take on an Elder and trap them.

I'm not particularly worried, who's going to mess with someone whose big brother is Auseklis?

Les you forget, He carries a tree.

From the histories of the "The Taint Wars:"



Typo?

I think he was just being cute, or it was some sort of nickname.

Yea, like I call Bricriu Bricri, or Shiro kaka-faced. *hum* Kidding. But, yea, a pet name, more or less. Only know what really went on between them.

In the history of the Vernal Wars, Illith was trapped under the sea, Zenos was trapped in an icecap and Crazen in a big hole, are these soulless still around or were they consumed by Kethuru when he expanded his body?

hmm, thats an interesting thought. Just... dont get any ideas (especially you Guido!)... we dont need a Soulless one running around eating everyone. Just try and imagine Gorgulu, but say, 50K times worse, and, a lot more people fighting and dieing. I would feel bad for anyone with death sight on, trying to get something done. Can you say "uber mega nasty sickeningly horrible spam"?

Why do peopel keep thining teh Vernals beat the soulless when the histories clearly state otherwise?



It took hundreds upon hundreds of Vernal's(getting so high by constantly rasing them), to kill a small number, and trap the rest, in prisons we can't be sure will hold forever.

There are at least surviving members of the namy Elder Gods. What Vernal Gods are left? If all Vernals died, and the souless aren't...I could hardly call that a victory.

Hajamin is such a totally weird name.

*fulfils predictions of posting right after it happens, no doubt*

Maybe with more Elder Gods comming the History section, of the History of the Elder Wars, will finally be released. Unless of course more Elder gods are expected to emerge.

Yeahhh. I'm kinda hoping it's this time. I wanna seee! (I bet everyone's going to be shocked we got like 120 posts in this time. Then they realise I necro'd a months-old thread. )