Every nexus has the ability to raise a vernal god, Hundreds of Veneral gods were raised by these special pools.

There were lots of nexuses in ordinary villages, too. But those were all wiped out.

I think we're starting to just say the same things back at each other, just in different lights, but meaning the same thing.

I do not think Ladantine had any idea of what had reazlly happened to Gaudiguch or Hallifax. He probably wanted the Pool, because that was his home turf, where he could gather the power needed the esiest.

You say that the Empire would have suppressed the info, but how then would the ministers of Celest know how to raise a Vernal, and how would the others expect to be raised at the other nexuses if no one there knew how to do it?

Anyways, I think we're all in agreement that Vernal status will not be level based at all.

Aye, I don't think we disagree in spirit, just in detail. If the Princess knew from Ladantine, the ministers would know from the Princess when she turned against her father. The others were plotting directly with the undead Emperor, and would have had at least the promise if not the knowledge from him.

I don't understand why Ladantine didn't press for the raising of himself to Vernal God status prior to the Tainting. I believe it is most likely a Gaurdian/Mage archetype secret. As to the forestal nexii, I'm going to doubt it. Simply because those are natural Nexii, and the Nexii used to raise every Vernal God has belonged to a city/town, which were all constructs of Magic, High and Low. The Forestals only use Low magic, to my knowledge.

Not to say they can't. It just only seems to reason, at least in my mind, that they can't. It's a Mortal Construct of Power thing, versus a natural one. You'ld need an Estarra-answer for this one.

Why would he press for Vernal prior to being Tainted? He wasn't a power hungry maniac before being Tainted.

Also, despite his powerhungeryness(a word?), he was doing it reach Avechna, and also to be sure there was someone to battle Kethuru.

As for the nature nexuses, they actually were created by mortals. From the Aftermath of the Divine Wars:


I didn't remember this till I reread it today. It shows that the great trees were created by mortals, and in fact not around a bit after the Vernal Wars. Thus, they very well could have the ability to raise more Vernals.

I still am with the vernal god being experience based, as those who may have not have been great warriors were scholars, etc. Bashing isnt the only way to go to gain much experience. Influence, in the case of Marilynth, etc.

I really don't like that concept. The whole thing screams of "assholes with too much power and not enough restraint", honestly... Stupid people suck. Hmm.

I think it'd be cool if Vernal Gods could have their own orders, like how Vestera influenced many people by appearing in their dreams, and Shanth rescued those aslaran. They'd basically do similar things to Elder Gods in that respect, though perhaps a little different, and it'd be explicit that they were lesser beings, but... it could be cool. That's the link I made when I first read the histories - Lusternia: the Age of Ascension, ie. people are gonna ascend into Divinity, and Vernal Gods is what they'd become.

Vernal Gods seemed so above mere mortal concerns, I just can't envision them taking the place of dragons from Achaea, bashing and raiding and all. Look at Rocktamer from Achaea - no offense to him personally, i'm just using him as an example of how someone the Divine/admins don't really seem to like managed to attain such a position.

That said, people obviously couldn't directly ascend from mortal to Divine without all the training that the Ephemeral position currently entails, so maybe mortals could somehow sneak that in over a period of time, and then use a nexus to ascend and take up residence in the transcendental fulcrux place. Or something.

Whatever happens, level 99/100 should NOT automatically make you a God (Vernal or otherwise). Not without all the training and checks that have to go on.

edit: Also, there are many people who make wonderful leaders, or are just fantastic roleplayers, who are REALLY suited for the position of a Divine - but who would just never have the time to reach level 99/100, through influencing or bashing or whatever else. Be it because they spend the time BEING a leader, or doing their fantastic roleplaying... using Achaea again as an example, those who devoted so gosh-darned much time to bashing to reach the level they needed basically ostracised themselves from their guilds, orders and cities to do so. If, in Lusternia, someone spent a hell of a lot of time bashing/influencing, by the time they reached that high level they wouldn't neccessarily have the same, well, base of support.

Someone SHOULD have to be successful to ascend. But I don't believe their experience (in levels) is the right way to measure that.

He spent many years on projects to raise sources of vast power, as I recall?

Well, I got the impression that a year or two down the track, there would be some Soulless trying to wreak havoc on the world, certain people, with great influence (well known city leaders, great combatants, high leveled people) would be transformed into Vernal gods, make some kind of sacrifice, probably in the way of exp, or do some questing, with the help of the world. Consequently afterwards they would be restored to their previous position, with something on honours, leaving Vernal gods not so much a -admin- position. More of a glorified roleplaying event position, with a title, mark on honours, maybe a seperate race for the week.

As for 99/100 I think Titan are fine, and interesting. I don't see any need for there to be some ultimate upgrade from Titan to something else at level 100. It's just level 100, it doesn't mean you have contributed anything wonderful to the world. People could get it in a few months of hard work.

Personally, level 100 meant alot more on achaea when no one had it, no one was close to having it, and it was nothing but a myth because no one had bothered to code it. Now it's just something people who usually don't roleplay much come into the game and get because they can.

It would be great if something innovative came in like the aspects in imperian. Which brought a whole new element to the game, rather than just giving the people a whole bunch of new skills. Titans I feel should have some sort of effect on the city as a whole, due to the importance of cities in Lusternia. Increasing the likeliness of a city staying under it's control longer, due to awe of their power.

I like the idea of the Titans being lined up with their respective elements(according to city/commune membership). And perhaps, make a rogue titan, that is overal less powerful than the others. So, you'd get Water, Fire, Earth, and Air, as well as Wood, and a blank.

To those who thought of a Light and Dark type too, I ask you this. If you are making Titans respective to Celestia and Nil, then what woudl teh ones be for the Vortex and Continuum?

Law and Chaos, I guess?

Though I'd probably want to be a Metal titan, myself. A Taint titan type (say that three times fast) would certainly be interesting, but Mary's "leaky" enough as a viscanti.

This is a nice idea, and I'd just like to point out that no one other than Elder Gods will ever be in an admin position, no matter what happens with Vernal Gods.

I'd guess that they have the vernal thing figured out already.

But, it would SUCK to see vernal gods at level 100. Who gets level 100? The people that nerd it out all day killing stuff. The ones I have known so far aren't incredibly engaged in active RP, and some were just quite stupid.

It doesn't require a lot to hit level 100, just time.

I dont think that going from level 99 and 99% to 100 should be experience based, but rather forcing titans to accrue large resources of power, as well as requiring some sort of event to intiate the change, hence the 'bashin fools' wouldnt become vernal gods but rather those who worked their way up, and maintained intense roleplay and whatnot, all while accruing the power necessary for the transformation.

It wouldn't work that way. It'd be ooo, look, so and so is level 99, 99%! Dude, we can be the first city with a Vernal!

Nah.

I do like the idea of Vernal Gods being separate (but not totally) from exp. Maybe level 75 minimum or something higher? (80?), and either a -total- draining of the nexus, or 1-2 mil or so power.

Just wondering...

Seeing as in HELP LEVELLIST it has "???" for level 100, what would happen if someone reached it now, just hypothetically?

They would explode. Horribly. Big gouts of blood and bits of limb everywhere.

Haha.

Just thought I'd point out, as it was asked a page or two ago, the first Azudim, Taryn, was raised in Aetolia a day or two ago. Although we don't know the stats yet.