Of prior to this duel, I got jumped by amaru and silimaur, i died and vitaed, tackle silimaur out of room and jumped straight back in (undeffed) and started killing amaru, it was only after silimaur jumped back in to finihs me off I died again.

I publicly challenged amaru to a duel which he accepted under Thorgals instruction, then Rafael turned up, and said it wasn't going to happen.

Silimaur then agreed to come duel me off his own accord and so the following happened... the log starts mid duel after he (silimaur) vitaed the first time

2688h, 1855m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Hefting both weapons above your head, you begin swinging them in circles and
bellow out, "Palmam qui meruit ferat!!"
Focusing on his gut, you strike at Silimaur with a tormented spectre flail. You
pulp him in the gut, making him grunt and turn blue.
Focusing on his gut, you strike at Silimaur with a tormented spectre flail. You
pulp him in the gut, knocking the wind out of him.
2688h, 1855m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You must regain balance first.
2688h, 1855m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Silimaur takes a drink from a garnet vial.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
unwield 24170
unwield 10493
put 24170 in pack
put 10493 in pack
unwield 4735
unwield 50458
put 4735 in pack
put 50458 in pack
get 10493 from pack
get 24170 from pack
wield 10493 left
wield 24170 right
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You cease wielding a tormented spectre flail in your right hand.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-strike silimaur gut
strike silimaur gut

Swinging a steel broadsword in an underhand arc, Silimaur strikes at you, and
you make ready with a tormented spectre flail. Silimaur's broadsword slashes
your flail, and you easily deflect the blow.
With a deft move, you retaliate with a quick swing of a tormented spectre flail
at Silimaur. With great force, you slash him in the chest with a satisfying
crunch.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You cease wielding a tormented spectre flail in your left hand.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You put a tormented spectre flail into a leather backpack.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You put a tormented spectre flail into a leather backpack.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You aren't wielding anything.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You aren't wielding anything.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You hold no "4735".
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You hold no "50458".
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You take a tormented spectre flail from a leather backpack.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You take a tormented spectre flail from a leather backpack.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You begin to wield a tormented spectre flail in your left hand.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You begin to wield a tormented spectre flail in your right hand.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Focusing on his gut, you strike at Silimaur with a tormented spectre flail. You
strike his gut with great force, and blood begins to foam at his mouth.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Focusing on his gut, you strike at Silimaur with a tormented spectre flail. You
strike his gut with great force, and blood begins to foam at his mouth.
The final blow proves too much for Silimaur, who falls to the floor a broken,
bloody mess.
You have slain Silimaur.
The voice of Avechna whispers in your mind a warning about initiating combat
with Silimaur.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Valek picks up the corpse of Silimaur.
2712h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You bleed 11 health.
2701h, 2005m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
get corpse
2995h, 1930m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
I see no "corpse" to take.
2995h, 1930m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Valek gives the corpse of Silimaur to you.
2995h, 1930m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
You bleed 1 health.
2994h, 1930m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-sc

Myrmidon Murphy, Legionaire of Dread
Sex : Male Race : Brood Viscanti
Level : 55 (43%) Rank : Idolized
Health : 2995/2995 Endurance : 9868/13875
Mana : 1780/2005 Willpower : 8847/8925
Ego : 2170/2170 Reserves : 73%
You are ranked 135th in Lusternia.
You are the 7th ranked combatant.
You stand tall as a proud citizen of the Mighty Empire of Magnagora.
You have reached the rank of 'Laborer' in your city.
You are the Treasurer.
You are an Acceptable Loss in the Ur'Guard.
The position of a Thorn of the Amaranth in the Ur'Guard is held by you.
You are a member of the Dreadhelm Forging Cartel.
You are a Landloper in the Fellowship of Explorers
You are a member of the clan called 'The Iron Council.'
You are a member of the clan called 'The Midnight Legion.'
You are a member of the clan called 'The Dark Carnival.'
You are a member of the clan called 'The Black Anvil.'
You are 33 years old.
You were born on the 2nd of Estar, 71 years after the Coming of Estarra.
2995h, 1780m, 2170e, 2p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 1780m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
The soul of Silimaur says, "Yay."
2770h, 1780m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
The corners of Torak's mouth turn up as he grins mischievously.
2995h, 1947m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
The soul of Silimaur says, "Happy."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
Rafael tells you, "May I rezz it?"
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-'thank you for showing honour.

You say, "Thank you for showing honour."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
Erim has been slain by the might of Gwylifar Swift-Blade.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
Thorgal leaves to the southwest.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says to you, "He showed honor."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 3p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says to you, "You should show respect as well."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-

light pipe59643
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
There is nothing in the pipe to light.
outr coltsfoot
put coltsfoot in pipe35008

outr faeleaf
put faeleaf in pipe59643
inr all coltsfoot
inr all faeleaf
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
You remove 1 coltsfoot, bringing the total in the Rift to 176.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
The pipe is full.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
You remove 1 faeleaf, bringing the total in the Rift to 193.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
You fill your pipe with a stalk of faeleaf.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
You store 1 coltsfoot, bringing the total to 177.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
You see no faeleaf in your inventory.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Hes been defeated."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 4p exkdb-nod

You nod your head emphatically.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 5p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 5p exkdb-
The soul of Silimaur says, "Woooot."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 5p exkdb-'allow him a rezz?

You say, "Allow him a rezz?"
2970h, 1855m, 2170e, 5p exkdb-
Valek nods his head emphatically.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 5p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 5p exkdb-'i shall do

You say, "I shall do."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-
The soul of Silimaur says, "Now can i be left alone."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-rafael ok

You tell Sir Rafael Lenu, Champion of the Light, "Ok."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-ql

Entering Glomdoring Forest.
A smattering of clouds fills the sky, lacing it with spiderwebs of grey. There
are 2 hideous archdemons here. Shadow Torak, of the Web is here. Acolyte Roul,
Advocate of Cruelty is here. He wields a kite shield in his left hand. The soul
of Silimaur roams the land, bodiless. Sir Rafael Lenu, Champion of the Light is
here. He wields a scintillating rapier in his left hand and a dark steel
broadsword in his right. Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught is here. He wields a
exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword in each hand.
You see exits leading north and southwest.
2970h, 1855m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-
The cloud cover clears, and sun fills the skies.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-give corpse to rafael

You are far too selfish to give anything away.
2995h, 1855m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-
Thorgal arrives from the southwest.
2995h, 1855m, 2170e, 6p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Give it to Thorgal."
2995h, 1855m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-generosuty

Interesting...
2995h, 1855m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-
The soul of Silimaur says, "It?"
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-
(Magnagora): Kamur says, "Ack...anybody have some spare fire elixer? I just ran
out while fighting spectres."
2919h, 2005m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-generosity

A feeling of generosity spreads throughout you.
2919h, 2005m, 2170e, 7p xkdb-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2919h, 2005m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "A corpse is an IT."
2919h, 2005m, 2170e, 7p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Sorry."
2995h, 1855m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 1855m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-give corpse to thorgal

You give the corpse of Silimaur to Sir Thorgal Haven, Cavalier of the Dawn.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-
Thorgal drops the corpse of Silimaur.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-
Thorgal kneels down by the remains of Silimaur, and chants a ritual of last
rites over the corpse. As if in answer to a holy summons, a white marble
gravestone pushes up from the ground.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-
Thorgal spits on the ground in disgust.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 8p exkdb-
Thorgal glances briefly northwards and dashes off into the distance.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 9p exkdb-
Rafael sinks to his knees and bows his head, whispering the name of Silimaur
over and over. His head suddenly jerks up and a strange smile crosses his lips
before he drops down dead. Silimaur shimmers into existence next to the body
with tears in his eyes.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 9p exkdb-
Silimaur takes a drink from a ruby vial.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 9p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 9p exkdb-
Silimaur takes a drink from a ruby vial.
2970h, 1855m, 2170e, 9p exkdb-
Seeing his situation to be hopeless, Rafael begins uttering fervent prayers for
salvation.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 9p exkdb-

light pipe59643
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Whoa."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Silimaur takes a drink from a ruby vial.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
"Ummmm," Torak says uncertainly.
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "How'd he do that."
2770h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-solidify

You concentrate briefly and your flesh is once again solid.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Silimaur takes a drink from a ruby vial.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "That was pretty damn cool."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
You see Roul say something, but his voice is drowned out by the wind.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
"Ummmm," Silimaur says uncertainly.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Sir Silimaur Telemnar, Disciple of the Dawn says, "What the ."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Silimaur takes a drink from a ruby vial.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
The bright sun shines down upon you.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek picks up the corpse of Rafael.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
(Market): Jadryga says, "Plenty of food, fresh herbs, sigils and jewelry
available at Karinderya, 5e, nw, ne, e of the Megalith!"
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Acolyte Roul, Advocate of Cruelty says, "So Thorgal gravestoned him so
Sillimaur couldn't be rezzed."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-'rafael sacraficed his life for yours

You say, "Rafael sacraficed his life for yours."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Acolyte Roul, Advocate of Cruelty says, "So Rafael sacrifices himself to bring
Silimaur to life."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Sir Silimaur Telemnar, Disciple of the Dawn says, "Thorgals a astard."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Acolyte Roul, Advocate of Cruelty says, "Interesting."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Sir Silimaur Telemnar, Disciple of the Dawn says, "Bastard."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-ql

Entering Glomdoring Forest.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. There
are 2 hideous archdemons here. A white marble gravestone stands vigil here,
memorializing the death of some poor soul. Shadow Torak, of the Web is here.
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught is here. He wields a exquisitely crafted
draconic broadsword in each hand. Acolyte Roul, Advocate of Cruelty is here. He
wields a kite shield in his left hand. Sir Silimaur Telemnar, Disciple of the
Dawn is here. He wields a steel broadsword in each hand.
You see exits leading north and southwest.
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-

2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Huh."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Thats pretty damn cool."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-valek that was cool

Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says, "Can I do that?"
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
You tell Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught, "That was cool."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Sir Silimaur Telemnar, Disciple of the Dawn says, "What a twat."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-

2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-

light pipe59643
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
Valek Feyranti, the Dreadnaught says to you, "Hell yeah it was."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-'no its a paladin skill

You say, "No its a paladin skill."
2995h, 2005m, 2170e, 10p exkdb-evoke tipheret

Muttering the secret names of Tipheret, you clench your fists which begin to
glow. The glow spreads across your body.
2995h, 1955m, 2170e, 10p xkdb-writhe

You begin to writhe helplessly, throwing your body off balance.
2995h, 1955m, 2170e, 10p kdb-


As you can see rafael sacraficed himself in his role as champion, I think thats pretty damn good of him in my books.

EDIT: edited for language. ~Auseklis

If anyone wonders why I did that: After all the work I put into my guild, all the people I trained, I get disfavoured, for telling Silimaur to accept the bloody duel.

Um...why did you tell him to accept the dual?

No, you forced him to accept the duel. These were your words, and his. You have no right to force another Paladin to accept a duel.

I was head of the order of the Dawn, and Silimaur was my main disciple, it wasn't just my right, it was my duty, to have him not cower away from a duel after jumping and teaming Murphy.

I am the other acting head of that Order, but it's still not my right nor my duty to force another Paladin into a fight that's not directly for the good of the Light. Your actions were thus because his actions made the Paladins look bad in the eyes of Tainted beings. This duel put his life into a bad situation for no reason other than you wanted him to uphold a code of honour that's not applied when dealing with Magnagorans, Tainted beings, or anyone who supports either of those parties.

Edit:
By the way, this is the most amusing Guildrank title I've ever seen.

It's cowardice whatever way you look at it, even Silimaur knew that, since he continued the duel even after you tackled him away. I can cope with the dishonour of an inexperienced knight, but not with cowardice.

I've declined many duels in my time, and no coward am I. However, last I knew we didn't owe honour to no Tainted being. Further, I, nor no other, is asking you to deal with cowardice of a Knight, inexperienced or not. That's not your duty.

Right, wasn't aware we were training a bunch of cowards, guess two knights are enough for the guild.

I said it wasn't your duty, and my word is law on that. You can ask them to own up to a duel that has no relevance to the true goal of the Paladins after they've left the Apprenticeship that's Disciplehood, but you will most certainly not force them into it.

Kinda seems pointless...you arguing on your character's viewpoints. Why don't you argue about it IG?

Here is as good as there, I'd say. It's the IC part of the forum, *shrug*. What gets me is people who run by their IC name on here, speak about IC things related to their character, then say it's all -insert their characters name here- point of view, not their own.. Drives me bonkers.

Err, and of course we have smiley faces here.

No, disciples are already knights. Silimaur is a knight, not an apprentice.

But they're inexperienced Knights. The Order they go into is an Apprenticeship that teaches them that aspect of the Guild. Honour toward Tainted beings is not a req. of any Order. *g*

There is no such thing as an IC part of any forum. These forums just happen to be about the game while the other part is about the rest of the world.

Don't need to hear about petty politics of game charachters I'm not involved in. John and Ken do it plenty for me.

I don't know, this is some of the best entertainment I've had since I was actually -in- the Paladins.

Someone mentioned something about no honor in tainted beings... how do you know that?

Reminds of that one death knight from dragonlance. Evil people can still have honor, hmm?

As I was debating the other day, the whole honour thing is messed up anyway. Everyone decides their own individual code of honour, so when they break it, they may well still be honourable according to someone else. Which leads to lots of ranting and raging about how people broke some silly rules they constructed for themselves.

As for Lord Soth, I don't know if he was really that honourable. But as I've just explained, honour's too subjective to tell. I suppose he was from his point of view, but killing his seneschal for no really good reason doesn't sound like the epitome of honourable discipline to me.

Honour is something you see in someone. It's not something a person decides if they have or not. In many cases I'll say that beings from all over the Basin have honour, but in certain circumstance I'll not acknowledge it. Amaru and Silimaur hunted Murphy for whatever reason, and I'm going to assume it was a good one. In any either case, the Paladins have no creed saying we owe ourselves to show honour to the Tainted. The only thing I demand of another Paladin that's down the path of combat is that they show their face to the Tainted long enough to kill them should the need arise. A duel does not fall into this catagory as it's not something that's directly interfering with the Light. When we hold duels the loser gets rezzed. *g*

You know what? Making a post where you're whining because there's an IC conflict that doesn't involve you on the forums in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with you nor was started by you, in which no one asked you for your opinion on the matter is one of the most retarded things I've seen so far in these forums.