Sounds good to me.

The only 'Tainted' creatures Jack feels pity for are the Orcs, as it actually dectracted from their former strength.

Right, because you have taken the time out of your life to speak to Alyvia, right? Alyvia does not close her eyes to crime, she has no squalms about magnagorans being enemied. If someone is a danger, she doesn't want them to be able to enter her commune or get near "her newbies."

Don't make a statement that is meant to be fact, unless you have actually taken the time to speak to that person. Even if Alyvia closed her eyes to every crime Magnagora commits, it wouldn't mean anything to the commune, as it has nothing to do with the position she was appointed to.

I'm done on this topic, unless someone else tries to twist my RP into something that makes me look bad.

And again, in answer to the origional question, you're not allowed to RP pity towards Taint or players of Celestian characters jump all over you.

Although Cronus feels that Old Celest payed considerably for what they have done, he doesn't see the Magnagorans as victims like you, Alyvia. The only victims, in his eyes, were the ones who were mutated horribly when the Taint appeared. The viscanti/tainted beings of today are descendants of the former ones, so they began life as tainted and will end life as tainted.

It's like, if a little town is seized and forced to join a giant, evil city. I would feel pity, IRL, for the people who were alive when the town was forced to join the evil city. But their descendants today would hold the ideals of the the big evil city, and therefore I would feel no pity.

If you got all of that, you're a star.

Anyway, I don't see why everyone's bashing Alyvia. It would be boring if everyone's characters had the same viewpoints. Besides, this is an OOC forum. Bitching to someone here about their character is a little pointless.

Nope, Alyvia is stupid because she thinks Celest hasn't paid for the Taint. Listen to what I said, go and look at old Celest, then tell me how you think those there haven't paid for the released Taint. Did they not sacrifice everything to seal Kethuru? Their lives, the Pool, all that and then they were stuck as souls on that rotting Island, hunted by these creatures you pity.



Quite a few of them have crawled out of that hole and sought life in the Commune and the Light. Victims? They still have their minds because Kethuru's touch is no longer dominating the Taint. They're there for personal gain.



We in Celest feel sorry that a living being must be Tainted, it's not uncommon to say you feel sorry for something having a life you wouldn't wish upon anyone. But the difference is those who still recognize them for what they are. It's not really brave, courageous, or any other such RP.

As for your post with quote to Thorgal, you don't need to take time out to speak to Alyvia. Anyone can very much tell from afar, by the relations seen between Magnagora and the Commune, that the Serenwilde will sooner take it up the ass than try to upset Magnagora. Seriously, you say Lisaera hates Viscanti (I'm just going to guess wildly that she hates Taint, too, and not just the deformed race that's a product of it.), and due to past actions, Auseklis hates them, too.

Serenwilde strikes deals with them, instead of fight them for things? We know Serenwilde is paying a tribute to Magnagora in praise for them not crushing them in the influence season for the village.

Magnagorans that hunted the fae, with -no- opposition from the Serenwilde. I must've missed the sorries and apologoies rendered by them, anyone care to point me to the public post where a Magnagoran swallowed their pride and said sorry for killing a fae?

Just for icing on the cake, public slander and knowledge in regard to letting a Magnagoran walk into the Commune, kill a citizen of the Commune, and then getting away with it.

Few in the Commune hate Taint, more of them would rather let it consume the entire World, grabbing vainly at the tiny strand of faith that they won't cosume that forest when it's done with the last bastion of Light standing before them.

Victims -some- might be, but if Celest wasn't there to fight them, take a real long thought on this and tell me how many of those blood-thirsty warmongers do you think would be stopping at the forest eaves of Serenwilde? They've every reason to continue in the conquest. The forest that sent for kelpies to drop the ships of Ladantine, a 'Taint-figurehead' to them, an opposing Nation that would seek to get villages and stop themselves from growing in power, and an organization in disarray that has split feelings on Taint, with half ready to strike them, and the other half unable to calm the the first, and patroned by two Gods who more or less despise them.

Serenwilde sits under the boot of Magnagora due to its lack of courage to tie the shoelaces together.

I don't hate Viscanti, I'm merely contemptuous of them as well as Orcs because they have been made into twisted, lesser versions of their previous selves, at least in My eyes. I believe the Taint to be unnatural and harmful to true nature, which is why I am against its spreading, though I am content for it to sit in the cities, as they have already destroyed nature to a certain extent.

Auseklis, on the other hand, doesn't care whether something or somewhere is tainted or not.

YES! So my Glomdoring follower's worship of Auseklis WAS justified!

Maybe we'd have done better if we'd been zealous followers of Auseklis. Hmmm...

would have done better if not talked about so much

Wasn't my choice. Had I run the DoC, I think we'd have done better.

Hindsight is 20/20 though *soothe visaeris*

ehh....I think Visaeris did a good job as a leader, just needed to cut back on the making enemies thing cause it affected all of DoC

Rafael, you've lost any respect I might have for you as a player. When people lower themselves to saying "Blah is stupid," it's because they can't come up with something smarter to say.

I will reply to what anyone else has to say on this subject, but anything you write, I will just skim past.

For everyone else who is reading this rubbish he's written, Serenwilde got along with Magnagora when Chade was leader, because he kept his citizens in control. Magnagorans did not just walk around slaying Fae, in fact most of them would ask for permission to enter Ethereal if they planned on doing more than go from Earth to Water.

In fact, the only real problem we've ever had with an organization uniting to kill fae, was with Celest.

yeah my time in ethereal was most interesting.

Guido is all for the taint, as many saw in his support of the Crows. He knows that left unchecked it is a horrible force than can reduce creatures into worthless beasts, but believes also that with the right supervision, control, and knowledge, if can be a beneficial mutagenic force used to enhance a subject's physical and mental strength, among other things. A sort of wonder steroid.

umm did old celest sacrifice everything to seal kethuru... hmmm I dont think so... I always thought they sacrificed everything to crush Landantine's hopes of becoming a vernal god.

Deleting this post. I'm a mean bastard, and just can't come to an understanding of people feeling pity for the Tainted beings, versus the option to smite them. This is not sarcastic.

Don't get me wrong, if this was -me- living in this world, and I hadn't been twisted by the taint, I'd be terrified of it. This is how -Alyvia- feels. I'm not her, I simply RP her.

There was a song sung in the 80s thats main line was "only a lad".. I'm now going to go to google and get more info so I don't sound so dumb.... its by Oingo Boingo


The charachters in this song, would represent the people who could feel pity for the Taint. Its really the same thing, and people now adays seem to feel this all the time, even though the song artist is arguing in Rafael's direction, the majority of the charachters in the song are leaning the pity direction.

Rafael, learn to refer to things from a third person point of view...I'm starting to wonder if you can seperate yourself from your character based on your responses here. No, they didn't sacrafice anything, they had absolutely no choice in the matter. Marilyth killed them by destroying the pool in her choice. She sacraficed them, they didn't. Had they each made the conscious choice to die to prevent Ladantine from Ascending to Vernal and done so, I'd give this arguement more merit.




Here's what I don't understand, how many of the Elder gods knew about the mortal races during the Elder wars. Did the gods that splintered do so while other Gods were still around? Terentia(sp?) didn't know what had happened to Meridian so I was left assuming that the others had fled from the Prime before the fracturing of the Gods into the mortal races. Sort of ... a last ditch effort to stay alive after all avenues of escape had been exhausted. If this were so, then how would Liseara hold them in contempt? She'd have what to base it off of? Do the Gods just know the complete history of Lusternia now and have their omniscient veiws of how things should have been if the Taint never was released? Heh.. here's a few others. How come the Vernal Gods could trap and hold back the Soulless when the Elder Gods couldn't? I better stop here before I start venturing off into weird territory.

I'd have had to like you first.

I think Lisaera detests them for their nature, not their history, culture or actions. I imagine her circle would have been involved a lot in understanding the spirit of living things (just assuming), and thus she probably has a keen sense for what is inherently natural and unnatural.