Chaos here if it appears will probably go the way of Babel, the Elder God of Chaos from Achaea. For those who know, Babel wasn't as laidback and cool as Eris - he was more the dark destructive side of the whole Chaos thing.

Serenwilde is almost definately CN. At least the way it stands now. I'm of a mixed opinion about Gaudiguch though. Because although stereotypically it's, again, CN - and just look at people like the berserk wyvern commander dude, or whoever it was, that just charged in with no analysis of the battle situation at all - there's something to be said for the fact that this IS a stereotype, and it doesn't necessarily reflect their actual...alignment. To use the D&D definition. As for the rest of it though, I think Rexali's right.

Personally I think everyone has a pretty silly view of these cities. I sincerely hope neither will be 'chaotic' and full of random stupidity. Its not like the histories will determine the way the cities become in the modern age. They will be guidelines that can and most likely will be broken to accomodate the changes that have occured since the cities were timelocked. Traditions and overall attitude will be preserved but the intricacies will be altered to fine tune these cities into grander places. Depending on what theory actually becomes truth theres many things that could occur.

Time to stop speculating and just wait and see.

Seems to me that, GAUDIGUCH. GAU. DI. GUCH. Are very much fun-loving people, but the Illuminati guild are very secretive and elusive.



They were both part of the Celestian Empire, along with Magnagora and Old Celest. So, although we know they hated each other towards the end, they're both "good" so probably won't ally with Magnagora.

That reminds me. Was Hallifax named for any particular reason because of Lord Halifax being Isaac Newton's colleague or whatever he was? 'cause that'd explain the Lucidians living there, seeing as Isaac Newton became the Lucasian Professor at Cambridge...don't mind me if I'm just pulling this out of my shoe, I just read a book and noticed that today and wondered if there was any connection

I thought it was named after the Bank. :/

Yeah, everyone thinks that at first, but that's just boring.

Wait for it....

Serenwilde isn't neutral, we have our OWN side.

...Carry on.

Wait until I build a city in my own image.

It will pwn you.

Aristopia.

Now taking applications for minister of ego.

(this whole post was just to show off my avatar)

Chaos can easily be defined. Read the Principia Discordia, and you'll understand. At least, no you'll be thoroughly confused you'll be as in sync with Chaos as one can be, unless you go into the underlying meaning to everything; which is so extensive that I'm simply curious how someone could devise all of this. It's insanely accurate about most things, and beautifully put together. You just need to look beneath the lines, and sometimes read the Pentabarf backwards. S'all. Five tons flax.

'chaotic' doesn't mean full of random stupidity. 'Lawful' simply means one is very noble, and very by-the-book, in a sense. They take the law verbatum. 'Chaotic' is more likely to interpret things, take a more 'liberal' view of things, if you will. At least, from my persepective.

And Hallifax is so going to be Neutral. Hallifax's fear of the Taint has always seemed to be of it's corruptive properties; Gaudiguch seemed to hold more of a fear of it's destruction of self-control and will. They hold those whom undergo mutations in high esteem. Had Ladantine and the rest landed in Celestia, no doubt they'd have just obliterated them then and there. Hallifax would have most likely reacted the same as Gaudiguch, although maybe a bit more wary of them, seperate them, maybe, whatever. I think they just used the Dark Council's presence in the Vortex as a reason to attack.

And, my guess? Gaudiguch gets Tainted. Or finds a way to use the Taint, maybe control it? Shrug.

I really hope neither of them are Tainted. But I can definitely see Hallifax and Celest forming an alliance. Magnagora and Gaudiguch is a different story, however. The ideals of modern Magnagora and Gaudiguch are too different, (satanic, corrupting versus free and philosophical). I originally thought they would form an alliance, because of the Illuminati being secretive. But it really doesn't seem so.

Besides, Gaudiguch and Hallifax will come out of their torpor with the same ideals as they went in - neither of them were corrupted, and they were taken out of the picture before the Taint Wars could reach its climax. Thus, they're still part of the "Celestian Empire" in the sense that they hold the "good" and "Light" ideals that old Celest and old Magnagora did.

I'm still holding out that NO ONE will ally with ANYONE. A sort of perpetual free-for-all would be much much more interesting. (Not going to happen, but I can always dream.)

Could a true chaotic nation be able to build great pyramids?

Think it about it.

Honestly, if Gaudiguch actually is a more chaotic type of city, I hope it's not the Erisian variety of chaos. Entirely too confusing, if you ask me. If the Illuminati have some sort of sacred idol thing they worship, i'd much rather it was the 'eternal flame' or somesuch, rather than them being focused on chaos. Occultists are just the biggest drama queens you'll ever meet, and Lusternia is much better off without them

Hallifax and Gaudiguch are NOT light-oriented. Why were they Protectorates of the Light or whatever? Because all of the military power at the time belonged to Celest. Think about taking America (Celest), Britain (Magnagora), France (Gaudiguch), and Germany (Hallifax) and putting them all in a small basin. That's the power dynamic we're talking about here.

Hallifax is a city of science, logic, and engineering. They focus on order, precision, and technology, in the lusternian sense of the words.

Gaudiguch is a city of free will, chaos, and intuition. They don't focus on anything, really - they just swing around and do what they feel like doing.

As for their relations? Allow me to quote the now-deceased Gaudiguch Gossip Newsletter;

Yarr, we get to be the cool one

ehhhhhhhh.....Hallifax wasnt around for the taint....? they used the time of Lad.s group project to attack Guadi.... right?

in my opinion, I see Hallifax trying that...Didn't they attack Guadi. when there was trouble in Astral/Prime? Takin' that as an advantage...

Maybe?...Thats just my thought..

Hallifax was most certainly around for the Taint. Their fear of it prompted them to attack to go through with whatever plan they had for Gaudiguch's power. It was Gaudiguch's defense that expelled Kethuru's will back to Astral.