Ah, snap. Someone needs to. (I'd be even worse, though, so don't try and ask me. ) *poke Gregori*

Dang it all I tried! Almost won too *mutters about independants always throwing off an election*

Yeah, and now you have to do it again! Or at least next time a super valid excuse comes up. And we'll get everyone to stop disrupting it next time.

EDIT: Also, YARR, I'm now spammier than Daganev. Must add this to my board honours.

Actually, I didn't blame her. I said the reason we influenced wasn't because we wanted more, it was because one of our Gods suggested we should.

And there's nothing that says Serenwilde is AGAINST the Taint, so just get off it. Even Auseklis has said before, that it is the individuals stance. He has also stated that while he doesn't like having to make deals with cities, He sees that it could be the only way to get some things done at this point.

And Senx, congrats! You found a place you can be disrespecful and can't be punished for it. Charis made a perfectly good point, which you took out on context.

And no one has actually set up a clear picture of what Serenwilde really does stand for. We know what it -doesn't- stand for. Protecting nature, snuggling, yadda yadda. Unfortunately, there's still no clear picture of Serenwilde. You could tell me all about what Serenwilde stands for, but half of the commune would say you're wrong. That half could tell you what it stands for, which you could find a load of rubbish.

The only thing that is actually defined is that Serenwilde doesn't like the cities, Serenwilde has a connection to the Ethereal plane(Fae and great spirits that came from it), and Serenwilde well....is a forest. The rest of it is for -us- to determine. Like it or not, the Gods didn't mean to have everything set up for us when the game opened.

Discreetly? Auseklis is about as discreet as a golf club to the head.

Kapow.

That's putting it... bluntly?

*puts up "Gregori for Seneschal" signs in his yard*

Must have some leader. Hasn't it been five years? Maybe this is the clear definitive between the cities and Serenwilde. They KNOW what they're about.

It's alright. If there's nothing written down, there's nothing to tie him down to one position.

Maybe i am wrong but i thought Serenwilde just just didnt give a care about cities so long as they didnt mess with nature. didnt really think it had to do anything with taint

Let's try and keep IC dislike IC, mmkay?

However, I took nothing out of context. Serenwilde is clearly defined as anti-City, anti-Taint, and independent. We have a patron who hates cities. We have a history and even help serenwilde to show that we don't trust cities and withdraw inwards in an attempt to escape the Taint even though it was no longer a threat.

Many people have a clear idea of what they want Serenwilde to be, they just don't take steps to make it a reality. But right now the commune is suffering from a crippling identity crisis.

I'd argue with that. We may have decided not to be militantly against the Taint for diplomatic reasons, but the fact that our great spirit is directly opposed to another great spirit for the sole reason of being corrupted seems to me to indicate we are very much against the Taint. Otherwise why else would White Hart try to destroy Crow?

But going back to the original point of this thread, I think I understand why so many are going the brutal, survivalist route... maybe because some are equating that with isolationist. I personally don't, but I think I can see why others are.

We're not against the Taint, we're against those Tainted Spirits, because they specifically want to harm us.

This is our version of Celest's star and Magnagora's brain thing. We're in direct opposition with Glomdoring, because of what Rowena and Brennen made it into.

I think that cities being able to steal power from eachother, and the Serenwilde getting power from the White Hart beating Crow, (And if Glomdoring was a commune, vice versa)the Gods kinda told us who we have conflict with. We're not against Magnagora and not against Celest, they're just kinda amusing to us.

FROM HELP SERENWILDE:
Disgusted with civilization, who they blame for the cause of the Taint, the
Serenwilde Commune withdrew into itself for a long period, and only now is
slowly coming out of its shell to take part in the activities within the
Basin of Life.

From this I deduce they don't like civilization, nor taint (otherwise, why blaming the first for causing the second?) This makes a treaty with a tainted city kindoff wrong.

That doesn't mean that they work against the Taint, fo course they don't like it. but the commune's purpose has nothing to do with Taint at all.

And you ally with something that has two caracteristics you don't like:
A) Is the main example of Taint, and works to spread it
Is the biggest and more powerful city of all.

Survival at all costs normally means lie Steal Cheat.. Not lose all sense of direction.


For survival all you need is a 5X5 box and a carob tree growing in a river... what you what is success in an ideal at all costs.

Oh, we're definately supposed to be against the cities, at least in terms of trusting/dealing with them as quoted in the helpfiles and histories. I don't think thats in question, just the Taint thing.

It does sound like the argument for letting taint slide is related to the 'survival over anything else' outlook in some ways. At least if the only reason we are against them is because they could hurt us.

Is that really all we would care about though? Two of the seven (maybe?) creatures we are supposed to worship like lesser divinities are pretty much distorted into caricatures of what they are meant to be, and we just shrug and say, "Well, so long as they play nicely with our undead former brethren, what's the harm? The city people who almost destroyed the basin are our friends now... Farella was just confused, we would never hold anyone accountable! That funny little taint never touched us!"

I -so- can't wait for Ackleberry to come back... hopefully they'll be set up to be much more accomodating and frivolous, and serenwilde can finally establish itself in the contrast.

You have naught but scraps of the past history, to cling on in order to build some kind of Identity, no one said it would be easy, but why is it that you're trying to pull the cheap tricks of an all go around hatred for everything that dare to move so you could feel that you're indeed existing.

The cities do not hurt Serenwilde in any way, The Taint is an ecosystem which is as legitimate than any other and you can be sure it will defend itself if under attack, the forests, the trees, the herbs and the animals couldn't care less about Serenwilde.

I have always thought that Serenwilders were weary of the cities because cities allowed an enormous concentration of power without the necessary wisdom that would ensure the safety of all. Going down the path of a dogmatic hatred for cities without an -actual and up-to-date- reason, would condemn Serenwilde to become nothing but a grotesque caricature.

Maybe it is time for you (serenwilde) guys to build your own identity, without trying to copycat the cities, time to propose an alternative instead of saying 'boohoo-we-hate-the-cities' all day long.