I have stated in another thread that the changes to the class are very positive. I believe a few more need to be made to runes, but that was about it.

You mistook what I meant about Daevos and Valek, Thorgal. My statement was to show that you couldn’t make a statement a class is overpowered, just because it has very good fighters in it. Anyhow, please come on Achaea and give my alt Herukhuti a message. I will then meet you with my main and we can find out exactly how good you are (I do not want it known who my main is).

Umm, when did I ever say any class was overpowered in Lusternia? All I said was, if they massively upgrade mages now, the first best skilled mage WILL prove them overpowered.

I think Lusternia is a nice balance. I went from achaea, which was full of overpowered classes, and insane skills. Like rites stripping defs without messages. Not to mention I could kill the best snakes (at the time) just by using staff over and over (forget the vibes).

I moved to aetolia, where skills are nerfed so often, if more than one person complains, the skill is -obviously- too powerful. Where dsl hits slower than herb balance. Vampire stun was reduced, because people were too stupid to make a half decent system, and apparently 8 people using long ranged attacks shouldn't be able to kill one person in the area.

I like Lusternia, I think the classes are fairly even, but people are generally unimaginative with what they do. One "awesome" fighter comes up, owns everyone as a particular class, suddenly everyone just uses that one popular tactic, and the class is dubbed "overpowered". I am going to take a leap of faith here, and say guardians do not need any upgrades (although I think just like runes, hexes needs some looking at). But in general, they dont need more defence, or more damage.

I can't comment for any mages, but I get the distinct impression people just need to stop looking at other peoples skills, and work on learning what their own do.

Spring strips defs without a -specific- message. It just gives you the windy sparkly thing.

What he means is cleansing in rites. It does not give any indication that it is there, let alone that it is stripping your defenses. You have to make sure to keep an eye out for things to be able to tell what you lost, or use up equilibrium using the defense command to make periodic checks. I did not consider it overpowering; I just considered it annoying to deal with.

Spring would be no problem, because it at least lets you know it stripped something. Seeing it's message pop up would also give you a cycle time on its stripping. Some defense strippers go in a certain order, so it would not be that hard to set up a redef tick dialog to cycle around and pretty much stop the stripping at a predetermined point.

Celestines should have a skill rite of cleansing which would remove the darkness from your body. which would remove defenses

They switched def stripping, in Achaea at least, to be random now, for all abilities I can think of.

True, but I was talking about here. I don't know if they upgraded the stripping code here yet.

They have. Def stripping chooses defs randomly.