Weaponry Styles and Designs

by Qaletaqa

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Qaletaqa2004-12-21 08:44:18
Weaponry as far as I know and armour too is not very restricted in what types of designs you can make and there are a plethora of weapon styles out there for you to discover. I found this website and I believe you forgers can get a lot of great ideas for weaponry making things very interesting and more respect towards your craft. I personally find myself thinking and writing tons of descriptions for a variety of weaponry.

For all you Serenguard I am sure you can find a lot of primitive yet effective weaponry styles. I would love to see city weaponry evolve into more distinct characteristics which is why I am glad we have cartels.

So again the websites are:
http://members.aol.com/dargolyt/TheForge/WPNMAIN.HTM
http://www.selinafenech.com/swords/finals.html

Much love and have fun now, really!

(Could we make this a sticky?)
Richter2004-12-21 17:35:39
The Black Anvil makes quality, custom armour and weapons.

*shamelessly advertises*
Fain2004-12-21 17:42:38
*sniffle* I tried to get Estarra to add cutlass as a weapon design. Maybe she will one of these days.
Shiri2004-12-21 17:47:25
And nunchucks, and kukri, and kamas, and kris (or do we already have them?) and yayyy, I just remembered Roark saying something about unused weapon classes like polearms being used in future. Or implying it. Need more cool weapons, anyway.
Kaelar2004-12-21 17:51:08
I like katanas.

We need katanas. shuriken.gif
Unknown2004-12-21 17:53:28
Batards!
Shiri2004-12-21 17:59:57
Wait, aren't they like French bre...no, that's baguettes, nevermind. Hand-and-a-half swords might be cool too.
Unknown2004-12-21 20:40:00
You forgot to mention fire rings......
Silvanus2004-12-21 20:46:49
I always dreamed of having a Flail and a huge bastard sword like the Witch King, that'd be sweeeeeeeeeet.
Unknown2004-12-21 21:32:57
I hope you're talking about the book-ish version of Witch King's armament. The flail in the movie makes everyone who has any knowledge about actual hand-to-hand weapons laugh.

Anyway, back to the topic... it's been said a thousand and one times before, but we need classes who can use two-handed swords efficiently - and of course, 2-h's per se as well.
Richter2004-12-21 22:06:11
I think we need to be able to make small things, like uh... machinery pieces. I'd like to forge something that went into something bigger, some kind of contraption or war engine that I helped forge pieces for.
Hazar2004-12-21 23:47:48
Personally, I'm waiting for mechanics that make two-handed weapons (cross ref. giant flails, claymores) able to stand their ground against knights wielding two wimpy little rapiers or longswords.
Nementh2004-12-22 00:43:01
No asian weapons for gods sake... I have enough of this type of list, 'Longsword, Hand and a half, shortsword, broadsword, claymore, two-handed broad, two handed long, katana...'

In a European setting, Katana's, sai's, bo's what ever you want to call them have no place what so ever... maybe if a new continent was added, these might have a better place.

Besides, in the end European weapons were actually better... (If you are going to say no they arn't, think and ask yourself if the only reason you are about to argue is that you think the Katana is cooler.)

However... I would like to see the weapon catagories revamped. For example, a rapier is a type of saber, I would like to see calvary sabers, 'spanish' sabers (The rapier most people identify with.), french sabers (The true rapier), Navy Sabers, and cutlasses...

And longsword... Nordic, English, Spanish, German... the list goes on...

While that would be more complex and somethings due to names would be hard, would be more fitting for lusternia then adding in a katana.
Qaletaqa2004-12-22 01:40:03
QUOTE(Fain @ Dec 21 2004, 10:42 AM)
*sniffle* I tried to get Estarra to add cutlass as a weapon design. Maybe she will one of these days.
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From what I know there are different classes to weapons. There are tons of different styles of weapons and I don't see why a cutlass couldn't be added as well as anything else someone could think of for a weapon. It would just need to be researched and addressed on stat ratios. But I think different designs in weapons can be associated with things such as longswords, rapiers, flails, maces, etc so there doesn't have to be a lot of coding involved.

http://members.aol.com/dargolyt/TheForge/OHEMAIN.HTM
This is a great website of all sorts of weapons and they can all be sepperated into blades and bulgeons (sp?). Estocs, falchions, epee, cutlass, saber, a gauche (fencing dagger), even a khopesh design can use a scimitar background.

Other blunt styles like quarterstaffs could be implemented not to mention whips! Please tell me what is more dastardly than a dirk and whip sad.gif Or a rapier and a main gauche for that matter? How about a scythe with a bardiche base only faster and less damage?

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Arthalas2004-12-22 02:24:20
QUOTE(Nementh @ Dec 22 2004, 12:43 AM)

In a European setting, Katana's, sai's, bo's what ever you want to call them have no place what so ever... maybe if a new continent was added, these might have a better place.

Besides, in the end European weapons were actually better... (If you are going to say no they arn't, think and ask yourself if the only reason you are about to argue is that you think the Katana is cooler.)

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Personally, I don't see the difference between having a weapon like katana in a fantasy medieval setting, and having a weapon like the scimitar in the same setting. After all, both are weapons which originate outside of western culture. By the same token, weapons like cutlasses and sabres may have descended from the scimitar.

In fact, I would say that a katana is more suited for a fantasy medieval setting than a rapier. Reason being that rapiers became popular at a time when heavy metallic armour were rendered obsolete by early firearms. In a setting where armour is still a norm, using rapiers in combat seem ill-suited.

As for your opinions about European weapons being better, I'm curious about the reason for this conclusion. Is it based on commercial value of the weapons placed by weapon collectors? Or is it based on some engineering benchmark like HRC?





Nementh2004-12-22 02:34:54
First off, having fought with swords quite often and quite well, I have seen European weapons as much more verstile and useful then any asian weapon. Asian weapons all have one use, if you wanted the versitility of a longsword with asain weapons, you would have so many weapons on you, you wouldn't be able to move. I am not using price, or 'engineering' standards, I am using experience, and knowledge of history.

Next, your information on rapier's is actually incorrect. They were introduced in spain, still called sabers, in the late middle ages. Reason for, Spain hadn't figured out effective platemail, so they decided instead to do what they did best and design a weapon to take out heavy armour. Using a fast saber, they were able to get behind the shield and weapon of the knight, and stab at a weak point in the armour.

The french rapier was devolped afterwards, during the firearm time period, as was our modern idea of a saber and cutlass.

Now how the scimitar fits in Europe, is that from the beginning of Greece (First major quasi-european major culture) to modern day England, contact, and influence of the middle east was very prominent. Spain, scimitars were common place, and after the crusades, many crusaders would carry these scimitars home spreading them as far north as Norway.

However, I can not see how asian weapons would fit at all... other then pleasing the 'Like oh my god, that would be like oh my god, so like, oh my god, cool.' crowd.
Qaletaqa2004-12-22 02:48:58
Aye long slendor blades like the estoc for example are useful for picking through the armour by thrusting. And a rapier is great for thrusting.

As for asian weapons I don't see a very large reason why not to have them. I do seem to see a large difference and similarities between chinese and japaenese armour and weapons though. Since chinese weapons are essentially the root of many asian pieces I find them quite vesatile in accordance to martial arts.

If you ask me I think quarterstaff is possibly one the best weapons for defensive and offense together. For me it is rather the base for all weaponry mostly for is variety of uses.
Nementh2004-12-22 05:03:06
English Knights learned to fight with a staff before any other weapon. It built the strength, and the basic concepts...
Unknown2004-12-22 17:00:46
Katana's wouldn't do to well here because of the style of armor. In places that the katana was used, it WAS better than the other weapons. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have been made. Humans are pretty quick on changing ineffective methods of killing each other. A katana would suck against plate mail, but against the armor they had in Japan, it was pretty good. Most weapons are really good in a certain situation, but only so-so in other situations, or even horrible.
Sylphas2004-12-23 04:33:48
I just like katanas for how much effort went into how they were made, worn, and used. Granted, I haven't researched it much, but it never seemed to me that European warriors put as much of themselves into their weapons, and considered them more just tools like any other. I'd at least say that katanas were of higher quality then European weapons, although I have no real idea how they compare in efficiency.