Actually, we have spoke about this on other threads, and the communes are not supposed to be huggy bunny. Only Ackleberry, from at least what I read in the histories. Serenwilde is supposed to be mysterious, but we have very few who act serious. Gloriana isn't huggy bunny at all, I would think it would have the mysterious vibe and be very seductive and alluring.

Now, back on track: I vote for neither, because I am content at the moment with the factions. Notice if the war with Magnagora happened with the other cities and communes? With the few people who flock there it will take a while to hold back their forces. At least now, we have some fighting chance.

That was the original group and their actions not the current effort. Of course they may be the same but I don't know that. Now if this was a Visaeris/Richter effort as it seemed before, I wouldn't doubt your claim. The two of you showed alot of moxy and were actually interested in roleplay from my perspective.

As it is now I just call it like I see it.

Hell, I did more than Richter ever did

Er, I mean... yeah. If I get into Magnagora, and if Daevos lets me, i'm going to try to keep the Glomdoring movement focused around the forest and its revival, not pledging all our support to Magnagora and groveling before Valek. Not that there's anything wrong with groveling before Valek.

Heh. I thought the Crow movement was indirectly tied to Richter's prophecy?

No real offense meant but I'm burnt out on the marauding/conquering evil empire bit. I've been waiting, literaly, for years for a game to come along with something like the Gloriana. It just seems that every d@mn game or book goes the corrupted/unholy/mutated/undead route when it comes to a non-snuggly oriented 'dark' forest. I'm pretty much infatuated with Celtic/Norse myth and the aspect of its take on the morality of a 'dark' wood. I'm thoroughly sick of good vs. evil. I want that particulat aspect of unease and fear that comes from dealing with a mystical/mythological society whose ideas of right and wrong are beyond the ken of a mortal mind.

I see this as my chance. I may be doomed but your stuck with my character being a pest until I'm blasted back to the first Circle or I give up. The former is more likely.

Why would Gloriana turn out anything different than Serenwilde? Serenwilde didn't turn out what it's supposed to be either...I think every forestal organization turns out the exact same, in every game...whatever they do. MAYBE glomdoring might turn out just a little different. Gloriana and Ackleberry would just add to more aetherwave pollution...

Richter had a prophecy? Huh?

Anyway, I doubt your wish for a dark forest will be granted; it is either untainted, in which all the snuggly giggly unserious people will flock to it, or it is tainted, in which all the badass warmongers flock to it.

Well, not ALL the badass warmongers. I really can't see Daevos shifting, for one. *g*

Seriously though, I hate to say it, but I think the general Dark Commune thing would be rather...ignored. I mean, hey, look at quite a large proportion of Serenwilde (not to down the efforts of those people doing a really good job of RP there.) Serenwilde generally isn't SUPPOSED to be full of snugglebunnies and stuff...but, um, it kinda is, if that stupid conversation on CT I just heard (granted, they're getting less as the Achaeans all go back home ) is anything to judge by. Having a tainted forest would set it much more in stone. And the forestal community really doesn't need to all band together again. Having evil/dark forestals would be SUCH a welcome twist.

I voted Hallifax because that's my current project, but Glomdoring is good.

The thing is, I prefer Glomdoring over Gloriana because the darkness is harder to ignore. If you visit Glomdoring, they don't have the blatant, explosive, in-your-face Magnagoran flavor of the Taint - it's subtler, but has as much if not more influence.

If Gloriana came instead of Glomdoring, far too many people would simply ignore the 'dark forest' concept. I'm afraid it would become like picking Chicago or New York - what's the difference, in the end? If you have that and then you throw in Ackleberry, it's like adding happy-go-lucky L.A. What's the point?

At the same time, Glomdoring has it's own problems. "Magnagora-in-the-woods" would be bad. I don't want that either. I want Glomdoring as Visaeris originally envisioned it - the sole outpost of anti-urban thought, with the darkness of the Taint and the vicious but cautious attitude of a predator.

I think the Taint has become less a corruptive, twisting force in the Glom as it has been in Magnagora. The Glom seems to have taken the Taint, twisted it to it's OWN ends, and used it to only further itself. Exactly as Magnagora has been preaching the Taint is; an enginge of Change.

And, if the Gloriana would return, I'd pray someone Divine steps in to make sure it maintains it's dark mystique. It was, both untainted and tainted, a very foreboding place. It was not the Serenwilde, which has struck me, history-wise, as kind of an enchanted forest, not necessarily hugs-n-snuggles, but more just magic is ingrained in everything, everywhere. The Gloriana was just a "Holy gods, the hell was that sound?" type of place. At least how I've percieved it.

Thats exactly how I imagine it to be. I imagine it as being that way in its natural state without having to rely on the taint as an excuse. For those of you who say, it can't happen because I.R.E Forrestals don't work that way. Well I'm not an I.R.E. vet , I don't have those prejudices. Here's your chance to make something different from the Forrestal's you can't stand.

The Serenwilde was that chance. More of them would just meander on into the Glorina.

Just a brief OOC note: Magnagora does not intend on raising Glomdoring, or trying to raise Glomdoring. Don't take this IC.

I think it would be hard if there was a Glomdoring, because all the places so far have barriers between them, although there is a bit of an alliance between Serenwilde and Celest it wouldn't last forever, but because Glomdoring and Magnagora have the whole taint thing in common they would become really close, I mean they should make some kind of feud between Glomdoring and Magnagora trying to beat each other at tainting or something, so there is something that is a barrier between the two.

I voted Ackleberry, just because I would love for there to be another clean forest to run about in.

The way I see it, is either to introduce Hallifax/Gaudiguch/both (although that would be an awful lot of bother, given the coding and all), introduce Ackleberry (yet more coding, plus the problem of Ethereal not being accomodating, as of yet: added to that, it'd just be another Serenwilde clone), introduce Gloriana under the same pretence as Serenwilde (mysterious forest commune, same concept as Serenwilde, and it'll end up exactly the same), or introduce Glomdoring, and hope for some originality.

And, for the record, the people I've seen attempting to raise Glomdoring - people like Guido, Richter, Dyr, and so forth - have all had excellent IC reasons to raise Glomdoring and interesting RP's. The people voting for Gloriana are just "WE DON'T WANT MAGNAGORA TO HAVE AN ALLY" and the people voting Ackleberry are the same people who don't care about how 'snuggly' Serenwilde is. (Hallifax and Gaudiguch are both excellent in regards to RP: however, it would/will take a lot of coding for them to be around, as I believe Auseklis once stated, so it would be more convienent/faster for Glomdoring to be next on the cards.)

Hallifax, duh.

And Richter stole my avatar its my merian twin.

Ackleberry, it gets rid of the snuggle factor from Serenwilde

Don't count on it. There'll always be some people staying for skills, or don't want to lose their lessons, plus random novices that arrive and don't realise that "Serenwilde's not for the snugglebunnies, you guys have to go over there." PLUS the people who deny people snugglebunnies. And in any case, it might just concentrate the snugglebunny population. I can see where you're coming from, but it might not work the way you hope.

I know it wont work really that way, but I can hope...plus its more because I wasnt sure which of the others I wanted first.

I agree that the people who have been raising crow and working for Glomdoring 'commune' have been showing some excellent rp, but don't assume the same isn't true for the people working for Gloriana, just because they aren't as verbal either ic or ooc. Also, I am sure that there are quite a few Magnagoran characters who want Glomdoring so they can have forestal skills without the forestal philosophy to temper their activities. Not all of course, but some.

And I don't think you've been reading the reasons people have been giving for voting Ackleberry... seems to be mostly the opposite of perpetuating 'snuggly' attitudes.

Ok, some people are saying that if Gloriana was revived - it would be a dark forest.

Why? If the taint was purged from Glomdoring and Gloriana was raised once more, it would be as it was beforehand, and it would be allies with Serenwilde/Ackleberry, and hate the cities for tainting them. It would be bland and boring. Why have Serenwilde with a slight attitude, (Gloriana), when you can have an interestingly evil Serenwilde, bringing more conflict into the realm and more roleplay situations involving Crow and Night. (Glomdoring)