The nature of the taint is that Celest and Serenwilde would not like it, and would oppose it. So its easy to assume that both Celest and Serenwilde would help eachother while fighting against Magnagora. That inherent unbalance becomes balanced by villages that Celest and Serenwilde don't like so much. Unlike alchemy though, it IS possible for celest or serenwilde to control acknor or ankgrag.

Well, it is possible for Celest to control Ankrag and Acknor but Rp wise I doubt they will do it. I doubt Serenwilde would go for acknor. unless they really need it

I say, Serenwilde would go for ankrag faster then celest

Why not? They slaughter the furrikin, so why not enslave them too? I love saying that: ...serenwilde...slaughters...furrikin...serenwilde...slaughters...furrikin...

They did it about 6 times so far...so I'ma keep referring to it everytime the words morals and serenwilde appear in the same sentence.

Where are you getting this, Thorgal? In ALL the time I've been here, two furrikin have died to anything Seren related. Do you happen to have logs where this actually happened? I -know- Gelthrae didn't kill any Furrikin, ever, so you're mistaken on at least that one person.

I can attest that Thorgal's right; many Furrikin Guards have cried out for help over CT, and I've seen one of the named people die once over CT. Usually when someone goes to check it out, it's some Seren or other.

I kill furrikin everyday. A village is a village to me, and I have never been able to understand why Serenwilde hasnt gone after Acknor or Ankgrag.

*grins smugly at Shiri*

Well?

Well...um...yeah, they didn't do it when I was there! *squint*

Fine, fine, I'm wrong. (See, see, this is why you use rational arguments and/or evidence when someone's wrong instead of just insulting them.)

Only the dwarves in Angkrag are undead, so if you kill all the dwarves and turn them alive at the Shrine, you can influence Angkrag.

The irony of it kills me though.

"Hello peaceful little furrikin...DIE YOU FURRY BASTARDS!" *slash stab smite crush kill*

Furrikin, "Please Mr Serenwilder...no...not that! Anything but tha- AIEEEEEEE"

No wonder Ackleberry took a runner

Yeah, and if Magnagora kills the dwarves and turns them into the undead they have a better chance of influencing Angkrag.

Okay, okay, Zhaine, but we don't ALL do it. In fact most of us don't. *crippled argument now*

That sounds like a lot of effort.

Celest did it everyday (or attempted too) for 2 IC years, until the guards in village change.

You don't ALL do it, but not ALL northern irish people blow up buildings and shoot people either, but those extremists give all the other Northern Irishmen a bad name.

Make sense?

The fact that Nyla does that is going to hang over Serenwildes head for quite a while to come. I mean, from an ooc perspective, it's strategically good, to send in only one person to kill the furrikin, thus only having one person enemied to Estelbar come influencing time. From an rp perspective it's a bit lacking, since Estelbar, up until recently, was always buddy-buddy with Serenwilde. And now that they've lost it they suddenly don't mind sending in lone assassins to pick off Estelbar's villagers.

Having said that the entire concept of not hurting innocent villagers pretty much went out the window a while back after we busted numerous Celestians killing villagers in Stewartsville. Serenwilde isn't technically good, it's just odd they'd kill furrikin, but Celest killing villagers is a bit dodgey.

Just a thought.

That would be right and most Celestians are aware of this, does Magnagora have to go through all this to even begining influencing a village ... no, that is why I said earlier make one of the other villages having something of the like for Mags to have to deal with before they influence. Also the Seren could at any time put a ban on Celest for alchemy the idea that it balances out that way hardly stands.

I think there is a difference between the commune 'sending in assassins', and an individual hindering an enemy in the manner he deems best. I think you'll find most Serenwilders and particularly the leaders are against killing villagers in Estelbar, one person's actions != Serenwilde's actions.

Yes, I know its a fine point, and from the point of view of the villagers they probably don't see a distinction. But if the killing was as prolific as you suggest, I believe there would be a -lot- of debate as to why it is wrong, as Shiri said.

You have the same arguments in regards to Terrorism. Yes Not every palestinian is a suicide bomber, but untill the day the Balastinian* leaders say.. He did "WHAT!? DHAT BASTARD, Throw his sublier in Jail!" your not going to trust the Palstianians to be against suicide bombing.

If serenwilde is against it.. Say so... if your against doing it yourself, but your happy when others do it.. Thats even lower on the moral totem pole.



* There is no "P" in Arabic.

I would hope that if it is observed in-game, it would be like that, Daganev.

the proof is in the pudding.

I didn't just kill furrikin for no reason. Chik attacked me so i killed him and i got me enemied. So I figure since i dont have the cash to get reprieve, I might as well kill while i can.