Chik attacked me too, when I tried to hand him one of the chickens he so loves. Instead of killing him, and killing the other villagers, I felt hurt, sad, and betrayed. I teleported back to Mother and brooded over how Magnagora has turned those who were once my friends against me, because I happen to be enemied for killing the orcs who enslave the furrikin. Sylphas now actually hates Magnagora, where before he just disliked them, and found them slightly deranged for accepting the taint. To me, your actions seem distateful at best, even from an OOC standpoint.

That's funny because I could have sworn that I was playing Nyla and not Sylphas. I guess thats why when faced with the same altercation we reacted in different ways, but I guess I should be whipped for having the ability to think for myself. I used to get pissed when people talked about huggies, but I am starting to see what they are talking about.




How does debating work anyways? Can you be in the middle of influencing and someone just interrupt you by debating you?

That's not what I meant. Perhaps I'm mixing IC and OOC a bit much, and for that I apologize. It simply strikes me as an odd approach to things, but as I don't know your character, I can't really comment. I'm sorry.

He's got a point, to a degree, but like Daganev said, if you don't throw your support behind it one way or the other, then it looks even worse to everyone else than if you chose to throw your support behind a result that no one really wanted.

But, it's difficult. Nyla, from what I gather, sees it as an opportunity, "If I'm gonna get enemied, may as well give the furry gits a reason to have me enemied". So if that was actually part of the extremist (I don't care what village it is, they're all the enemy now)rp, then it's a valid argument. But it does look a bit shabby that the Communes council has taken no stance either way, but then again they could have and we just don't know about it.

But as you said...*checks back in previous posts...* ...Elryn, the "individual hindering an enemy in a manner he deems best" is a somewhat harsh point. Do you begrudge the little furrikin of Estelbar for leaving the jurisdiction of Serenwilde for the first time by now treating them as merely a statistic that can be used against Magnagora via a killcount?

It's much like Celest holding Delport for a long time, finally losing it to Magnagora, then sending people in to butcher the townsfolk simply because "it will hinder the enemy in a manner we deem best". It's hard to rp having any sort of ties to the villages, since they're only mobs, and when you kill them, they will respawn. But still, from an rp perspective, killing those whom are part of the village that is technically "The Serenwilde village" seems a bit farfetched, unless of course, you were playing the extremist card there. But if it's being done because, from an ooc perspective "A village is a village is a village" then it does ring a hollow as far as justification for killing them.

Just a thought.

Don't worry Nyla, you're not the only seren furrikin-murderer, there's plenty of them.

There's nothing against it either, hell I'd do it myself if it wasn't my own village, but the commune saying they hold high morals WHILE letting their people happily slaughter the poor, innocent furballs, THAT'S reeeeeetarded.

The only difference between serenwilde and magnagora, is magnagora doesn't deny its bloodlust.

Zhaine, I'll emphasise the HE in my comment. Personally, I think its a bit flaky to have Serenwilders killing furrikin in Estelbar (though I'm sure we're quite happy killing furrikin players from Magnagora ). If Elryn notices it in-game, he would protest it rather strongly. My only point was that Nyla isn't being driven by Serenwilde.

Are you trying to say I'm somehow treating them as 'mobs' to farm rather than using my role? I think I must have phrased my statement very poorly, because that is the last thing I would want to imply.

And that's all that would happen, talking...is the commune too self-righteous to take responsiblity for its members? Can every Serenwilder just do as he pleases cause the council didn't tell him to do otherwise, thus it's not their fault?

LIke an american travels to Russia and kills its president, russians are pissed, they ask what the hell the deal is, americans say, it was just an indiviual, not our fault! Do you honoustly think that would work out?

Hmm, you are using my quote, Thorgal, so is that directed at me? What more do you think I would do?

It wasn't directed to you really, was directed to Serenwilde leadership, cause they all think they're not responsible for anything their commune mates do.

The americans would protest about one of their people killing the Russian President rather strongly, but only if they noticed it.

Hehe, sorry Elryn , but anyway...

In response to your emphasis on the HE did this and HE did that, that coin flips both ways. Kaervas raised crow. HE did that, yet YOU serenwilders started picking off Magnagorans left, right and centre. Why did you do that? Because you thought that Magnagora was backing Kaervas when he did that. And if you say "Well wasn't Magnagora backing Kaervas when he did that?" The answer is no, not to my knowledge. Kaervas jumped the gun there, but because you guys started picking off Magnagorans we jumped into it and said "Well stuff it then, let's give them a reason to complain"

Now what does that scenario show? It shows that the actions of an individual are reflected upon the whole by others, just as Thorgal said. Therefore, if one Serenwilder is willing to kill furrikin, then since you haven't put an immediate stop to the attacks, you're all obviously either willing to kill furrikin, or uncaring about the situation enough to remedy it.

Exactly, Kaervas and Richter raised Crow, and even while they got killed for it by their own city, the responsibility lies by Magnagora city...

Nyla kills furrikin, and even if their commune doesn't "condone" killing furrikin, the responsibility lies by Serenwilde.

I'd have to say when the entire City of Magnagora comes to their aide after/while they are raising Crow, it certainly means Magnagora defends and supports their actions.

Our commune does not come to their aide, and defend the killers of Furrikin when they are attacked by Magnagorans, nor do they then assist them in their actions afterwards.

Had I know there was Serenwilde citizens slaying Furrikin, I would have reprimanded them should they have been a Moondancer or SEG member. If they were neither, I would make sure a Commune Leader or their respective guild leader reprimanded them.

They did actually, after I killed Nyla in estelbar I got immediately jumped by a team.

Probably moreso because you are Thorgal, not for Nyla's sake.

Suuuure, there's always an excuse. My point is, don't ever say Serenwilde holds any morals at all. History shows they never had morals, the present shows they don't have morals, and the future will prove they will never have morals, simple as that.

There might be an individual here and there that tries to keep up his own, personal morals, but Serenwilde as a whole has as much elevated morals than magnagora, even Celest surpasses you by far in morals...

...morals morals morals morals...

Only moral I ask my Guard to stand by is defending Mother. Hell if burning down every tree in the forest, in some strange way helped make Mother invulnerable you can damn well bet I would be there with some matches.

*watches as she gets torn to pieces by carebear serenwilders*

This is an example of a good attitude to have. The screwed up logic people use against this is incredible. (The same thing happened to Erion. "He said that if killing angels furthered the Light, he would do it." "Right." "His actions are not within the light!" "...wait, yes they are, that's the whole point." "But the light wouldn't kill angels!" "...")

The thing is, I have never been caught killing furrikin so no one has ever said anything to me about it. Nyla never liked the damn furrikin in the first place. He just couldn't kill them because they were under the protection of the Serenwilde. Now can someone answer my debating question?

Here here, Alyssandra. Erion hates just about every Celestian for the way they treated him and the Seren for the way Nikua stood there and had Serenguard lie about him, rightly or wrongly. But, Erion would give you a cold stare if he heard you say that. Which is about as close to a hug as he gives anyone outside the Order.

Erion's smooched Zhaine on a couple of occasions...*shudder* usually after saving his blasphemous backside

We heretics gotta stick together.