But the scope is what's important! You'd never attack a Furrikin farmer regularly either, but when we were there with the Seren, they asked us to attack the Furrikin to try to draw guards away. Morals be damned! The means are justified by the ends!

You will notice I said "some".

There will always be someone who will try and abuse the situation, but you remove that person when you find out they are doing so.

Yes and I was pissed about that too. I said nobody was to harm the villagers with the exception of Orcs and Undead. When I found out that there was people doing it I told them they had one warning to stop doing it. Arilyon herself messaged me about someone doing it and I immediately told them it wasn't to happen again.

Actually, we said to attack the GUARDS to draw Furrikin away. Although Raguel (Seren) and Thaddeus (Celest) misunderstood either Malicia or Gelthrae (they were both pretty vocal on the subject, but I don't remember who gave the original order. Probably Malicia.)

My mistake. Still supports the no morals argument of my post, though. Even more actually. Undead slaves are sadder than trance-like slaves.

I hope you mean Nyla, who does it on a daily basis, by himself.

The Slave Master in Angkrag is moving skeletons to beat up a Drunk Orc. Not enslaving dwarves.

I think Silvanus just likes to honours people now.. He seems to be getting a kick out of it *eye*

Anyways back on topic.

I don't think the either city should have a quest that affects the forest without the forest having a quest that affects them. Take our spear away, give me a boat and let me go fishing. I will catch me some sharks and turtles for the cooks, and some squids my aquarium and lectures on taint.

As long as we can steal 1k power everytime we do a quest inside Magnagora to get them back, sure!

Neither city has a quest specifically to harm Serenwilde. The Crow isn't a Magnagoran quest, it is a quest ANYONE can do. Yes, Celest isn't gonna be doing it, but rogues can. I think that by giving Magnagora the cells for the colts, they made it even more into a Magnagoran quest. Truthfully, I don't think Crow should be able to bring to life, until their is a commune for it to affect. What is going to happen when Glom returns, if it does, and Magnagora is the one that has the cells that makes the quest easier for them? It'll force yet another alliance, which I'm tired of.

Apparently you missed my post where I said that I don't fully agree we should be stealing 1k power, and if the quests were balanced in causal affects there would be no power stealing.

It would be: You steal my centaurs, I steal your squid. Trade ya 2 squid for that centaur.

Crow is needed for the commune to raise again, which makes sense IC.

Actually here is where I agree with you. I think.. Been up a long time, could be the coffee affecting my judgement..

If anything the "holding cell" for the Centaurs should have been a part of Glomdoring. Making it so it was -not- a citified quest, instead it was all part of the Crow quest. There was bad judgement in saying put the cell in Magnagora because that immediately affected the balance of what the quest was about. It is quite understandable that a place in the Centaurs original home (Glomdoring - formerly Glorianna) was found, that people probably would have been more of "well damn, that sucks." It also makes more sense that tainted plants found in Glomdoring that do the same thing as the plants in Serenwilde would affect the colts in such a way as to be led back to the Glomdoring. However, when it was put into Magnagora it became a way for Magnagora to affect the Serenwilde anytime someone tries to raise Crow.

"Hey lets team up with Magnagora and get them to hold these colts, so we can kill White Hart"

two things... one stealing furrikin back and forth give minimal gold, its not worth your time. 1K power is hard to get without these super quests. People don't steal 500 gold from the city coffers and then quit the city, but they do steel 100,000 gold.

Second, your zoo idea is good, as long is its not behind a locked door, because that again would not be the same situation.


Third, did nobody listen to Richter's post.. The Colt cage cost him 300 comms. Richter has been a known Crow person for quite some time. Obviously a deal was able to be made where Magnagora was willing to build the cage that Richter bought to help assist with bringing crow back for more than 5 minutes.

Also, I don't think ghost lasts long enough to search serenwilde with it to steal colts. Ghost is good for quick small excursions, not a search and destroy mission. And implying that a person would go to the arena to get willpower back when many of us are rarely ever low on willpower is just insulting.

Thorgal did it three times last night. While we were hunting him in the Serenwilde, he would run to the arena and heartstop and come back.

EDIT:: In fact Merloch issued him on it.

oh, and going to war against serenwilde is a negative aspect in and of itself, and does harm magnagora. Having a monopoly on Alchemy would mean that we would have to have a VERY strong Drive to hurt the entire city by not being able to trade with you. So yes, Serenwilde ALWAYS had a way to hurt magangora before these quests were made.

Gregori beat me to it.

Yes well, at the beginning everyone was laughing at the fact a trade ban meant nothing. Glad to see it has some effect, but if truth be told I have alot of mad alchemists as Magnagora is their largest customer base.

Anyways..

Speaking speculatively because unless someone has OOC info I do not and can verify it.

We think White Hart means a loss of 5000 power
We think White Hart means no use of the Stag skillset.
We are certain White Hart means we are open to alot more attacks, based on what denizens of have said.

So killing White Hart has a huge affect on the Serenwilde.

Having a means to virtually stop us from defending ourselves completely has a huge impact on us. Other than specialised vials, you can still aquire health and Mana and some of the basics. We can't just aquire a new White Hart from Bob.

After skimming throught this topic, I've had to delete a few zealous posts for language and note that everything that can be said has been said and you guys are simply repeating yourselves ad nauseum. Thus, I am closing this thread.