Unseelie

by Shiri

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Kaelar2005-01-08 03:48:30
While I like the ideas you proposed, I'm personally hoping that the staff does something unique with Glomdoring. Having nearly the same skillset copied over and a few words changed to fit the RP just gets old after a while.

Not to spoil the fun, because I really like these ideas if that's the kind of thing the staff has in mind for for Glomdoring. A fully unique skillset is always more fun though wink.gif
Silvanus2005-01-08 03:51:34
Look at Celestialism to Nihilism and Necromancy to Sacrements.
Jasper2005-01-08 03:52:41
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Mother - A Mother of the Night channels mind into matter.
*1 power (Master Ravenwood)*
Only available to Nightbringers who have studied the Night totem, the Mother of the Night, Noctis will camouflage the Nightsinger's fae in a shroud of darkness, camouflaging their movements from view.


First off, what would be the use of this? Doesn't bonding with the Night Totem perform the same feat? Or is this more like...Aetolian Vampiric Stalking?

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The maiden, mother, and crone could be replaced with the Yellow Hag, Black Annis, and Blue Hag respectively.


Now, the Maiden, Mother, and Crone thing can be debated about. Because we do not really now if Mother Night had extensions or entites for her. But, if there were, I do not think they would be the Maiden, Mother, and Crone.

And also, why would the skillset be called Unseelie? Because we have no Seelie Court, do we? We have a Queen Maeve, but she does not control a group called the Seelie Court, she has the Village of Faethorn.
Unknown2005-01-08 06:12:03
Really, the fae Serenwilde use could be used in Glom, but I like the ideas. Like...all of the fae in the Wicca skillset are evil fae, but they were made all cuddly like. Kelpies, too.
Unknown2005-01-08 07:27:28
I'd just like to slip in to say that 'The Night Coven' is a far, far superior name than 'Nightbringers'.

Hell, they are called The Night Coven about 12 times in the histories.
Shiri2005-01-08 11:16:36
QUOTE(Jasper @ Jan 8 2005, 04:52 AM)
First off, what would be the use of this? Doesn't bonding with the Night Totem perform the same feat? Or is this more like...Aetolian Vampiric Stalking?
Now, the Maiden, Mother, and Crone thing can be debated about. Because we do not really now if Mother Night had extensions or entites for her. But, if there were, I do not think they would be the Maiden, Mother, and Crone.

And also, why would the skillset be called Unseelie? Because we have no Seelie Court, do we? We have a Queen Maeve, but she does not control a group called the Seelie Court, she has the Village of Faethorn.
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No, the night totem camouflages you, the Mother camouflages the entourage. They're very different things. (Notice how when walking with the night totem, people still see "He is followed by a sprite, a pixie, and a leprechaun." Or whatever else. (I do think a Maiden, Mother and Crone would be appropriate though.)

Also, it WOULDN'T be called Unseelie, but I couldn't think of a better name. Also, Night Coven would be a better name, but what do you call an individual one? A Night Coven member? It's a bit wordy to say every time, don't you think?
Unknown2005-01-08 13:16:49
Dont wanna read through all these comments, but I suggest banshee, because they are dark creatures, and I figured you were keeping some Fae from Serenwilde, (Crone, Maiden, Mother).

Also, I think Druidry should just be called Druidry.
Shiri2005-01-08 13:24:08
Yeah, but tainted druidry would likely be different. And the banshee is a relative of the Crone of the Moon, or something (according to Lisaera when she let us summon frosthags, I didn't really understand), so I suspect Unseelie wiccans couldn't summon them. The Maiden, Mother and Crone aren't direct ports from Mother Moon, they're the different aspects of Mother Night.
Unknown2005-01-08 17:13:30
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Also, it WOULDN'T be called Unseelie, but I couldn't think of a better name. Also, Night Coven would be a better name, but what do you call an individual one? A Night Coven member? It's a bit wordy to say every time, don't you think?


For risk of being flamed, Verbena.
Shiri2005-01-08 17:16:59
QUOTE(Cron @ Jan 8 2005, 06:13 PM)
For risk of being flamed, Verbena.
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...well, um, why? And why would you get flamed for that? And is that the name for one Nightbringer thing, or the skillset? *confused*
Unknown2005-01-08 17:51:19
Some of the faes would be overpowered. Such as two fae who can entangle you. one who can permantly blind you and the other who increase your stats. it would be alot stronger then Moondancer's wicca
Shiri2005-01-08 17:55:04
The Maiden is a double fortuna for 1 power. (That's the stats one.)
I can see only one thing which entangles, and that's in the water only.
And you can writhe to get rid of the sunwyrm, so it doesn't permanently blind you.

EDIT: Whoops, I can see how Shiro would have gotten confused. I worded thornbeast badly, it doesn't ACTUALLY web you, or entangle you, it was just the descriptive writing I was using to point out that it had thorny vines attached to you.
Unknown2005-01-08 17:59:24
Aha, nevermind then
Jasper2005-01-08 20:30:13
QUOTE(Alyvia Gladheon @ Jan 8 2005, 06:12 AM)
Really, the fae Serenwilde use could be used in Glom, but I like the ideas. Like...all of the fae in the Wicca skillset are evil fae, but they were made all cuddly like. Kelpies, too.
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They are not really cuddly, they are not good or evil. With the exception of the Brownie, who I cannot find why it is like that, all the fae in the Wiccca skillset can be classified as non-cuddly. We have discussed this somewhere else on how the Fae have an evil aspect in their attacks, which is not recognized.
Shiri2005-01-08 20:34:33
I don't see how the Mother, Nymph, Sprite, Brownie, and Maiden, just off the top of my head, could be considered anything other than happy friendly fluffy things.
Unknown2005-01-08 21:03:55
Few of the fae do ANYTHING like what they should do. Brownies do something that is more pixie like. My point is, Lusternia fae aren't like RL fae. People have said that they think a kind of fae would make more sense in Glom, considering what they really are. The game doesn't use em like they are in rl fairy lore.
Jasper2005-01-08 21:12:26
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Few of the fae do ANYTHING like what they should do. Brownies do something that is more pixie like. My point is, Lusternia fae aren't like RL fae. People have said that they think a kind of fae would make more sense in Glom, considering what they really are. The game doesn't use em like they are in rl fairy lore.


And they should not be anything like they are in real life Fae Lore. I agree, just becayse what they are in Real Life does not mean a thing in Lusternia life. And when I have reread your last post, I realized that when you said REALLY, you meant Real Life, which is my mistake.

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I don't see how the Mother, Nymph, Sprite, Brownie, and Maiden, just off the top of my head, could be considered anything other than happy friendly fluffy things.


Nymph pacifies things, she forcefully makes them stop against their will. I would say a form of mind control can be seen.
Sprite heals your mana, which in turn gives you more mana to use skills against others, which is bad and evil towards another. Same goes with the Mother.
Maiden, I cannot say anything about Maiden because I cannot think anything with her.
Brownie, they slow one down long enough for someone to heal themselves or attack again. Tickling not really sure why, but it can be seen evil in some form or another.
Shiri2005-01-08 21:17:54
QUOTE(Jasper @ Jan 8 2005, 10:12 PM)
And they should not be anything like they are in real life Fae Lore. I agree, just becayse what they are in Real Life does not mean a thing in Lusternia life. And when I have reread your last post, I realized that when you said REALLY, you meant Real Life, which is my mistake.
Nymph pacifies things, she forcefully makes them stop against their will. I would say a form of mind control can be seen.
Sprite heals your mana, which in turn gives you more mana to use skills against others, which is bad and evil towards another. Same goes with the Mother.
Maiden, I cannot say anything about Maiden because I cannot think anything with her.
Brownie, they slow one down long enough for someone to heal themselves or attack again. Tickling not really sure why, but it can be seen evil in some form or another.
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I'm going to have to say that you're taking logic a bit far into the stages of...well, paranoia, there. If you call healing someone harmful because it helps them survive longer against an enemy, you can't POSSIBLY do anything remotely good to anyone. Even the nymph, while I COULD see where you're coming from, doesn't do any more than force peace, she lets them attack everyone else, etc.. It's purely good. Brownie is maybe the MOST evil of that lot, and I don't think anyone could call a brownie evil.

But really, if you're going to say the Sprite has an evil component, you can't possibly believe anything else is remotely good, and morality must be abandoned. Personally, I think that's taking it a bit far, so more evil/dark fae are much more justified if the place is to be truly neutrallish. I wouldn't even call the Willowisp and Crone evil, cruel, or anything.
Unknown2005-01-09 06:23:12
Nymphs are actually fae that fit their rl inspiration, they are known to seduce creatures and piggish mean into doing what they want. Forcing of will, not a nice thing to do.

And brownies...don't tickle, they wait until you're asleep and do your chores for you. The tickling seems more like a pixie thing to do, although pixies do fit their rl inspirations, with putting people to sleep. They're known for putting kids to sleep during school and adults during important meetings. Pesky little things.
Gwynn2005-01-09 07:54:03
QUOTE(Elryn @ Jan 8 2005, 01:18 PM)
Well, I don't equate 'good' with 'benefits me' or 'happy'... but by their appearance, sprite, brownie and mother are rather light-hearted, you are quite correct.  They are balanced by crone, banshee and willowisp with quite different dispositions.  Maybe when Wicca gets an update like Moon does, we'll find some more serious fae lurking around, as well.  My point though was that they are just nature spirits... not good parts of nature and bad parts of nature (I've never thought of the natural world like that), they are just the personification of life.  Oh, and you can be evil and happy, especially if your dastardly plans are working out.
I do understand, and I'm impressed by your ideas.  I just wanted to say what I'm hoping and working for. tongue.gif
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If you look at Mythological Fae (as every single Fae already in, and the ones you suggested, have been) they, mostly, appear happy and friendly, but almost all of them are bringers of doom. They're tricksters, and if they have to appear friendly, they will.

I personally think Unseelie is actually a very good name for the skillset, the Unseelie were the exiled fae, those not welcome in the Seelie Fae courts from Irish folklore. They definately shouldn't reside on the Ethereal (if we're going to conflict with them, we want a few planes between us and them, just like Magnagora and Celest have...). Perhaps they could have even taken over a cosmic plane, and made an Unseelie court.