I know the DoC failed miserably, and ended up being hunted by Serenwilde... So, I'm wondering what kind of feelings there would be towards a clan dedicated to progress of the area, not even nessecarily the whole crow debate, but just a few people who want to inhabit the place, maybe get some structures when the gods give us the ability to build, etc. It wouldn't be the old DoC, it'd be more like that Guardians or the Seekers. I'd call it something like, Advocates of Glomdoring.

On second thought, that's a terrible name, but you get the idea.

I'd like some ic and ooc thoughts, particularly from our leaders and Divine, but also some from normal people. I'm not going to spend another half million on a clan that Gregori is going to enemy as soon as it's made.

Can someone loan me enough gold to make a clan for each of the great houses of Magnagora? I promise not to be the clanhead for any of them. (well as soon as a viable head of the household is available)

Anything REMOTELY Glomdoring related is going to be enemied within a matter of minutes, you can believe that. No matter how benign it claims to be. (Or, in fact, is.)

The whole point of Glomdoring is to embrace the taint and eventually eradicate the Serenwilde. I don't think any clan dedicated towards such will be well liked by those is Seren.

I think it's rather brave of you to try again, Richter, after what happened the first time. Personally, I don't really want Glomdoring to be made into a community as it is now, but I think you should definitely have the opportunity to try.

In-game, I'm pretty sure any organization that you create that intends to empower/promote the current state of affairs in Glomdoring will be an enemy of the Serenwilde. Particularly because of the conflict we're having now. If you're okay with the consequences that go along with that, I say go for it.

Sorry for being subtle.

There is a difference between bravery and stupidity.

Richter, was that not exactly what DOC was all about? It was the same as yours, and yours will probably meet hte same fate.

Visaeris didn't draw people in because he had so many enemies. He drove people away for that reason.

The point of the Glomdoring, as a forest, has little to do with harming Serenwilde in any way. Brennan and Rowena want to, yes, and Crow, but the forest as a whole? Maybe, but only if Crow were raised and in power. ICly, however, the Serenwilde would never trust a group promising not to raise Crow.

And Guido would want little to do with it either, assuming you just want to hang out at the Ravenwood... he's not going to just hang around the forest and erect a couple of huts. Not his style, y'dig? He'd try to at least to change the group's goals, and recruit likely helpers from it's membership.

If you keep it quieter than the DoC, then the Serenwilde shouldn't be too much of a trouble, though. At first they would go nuts, but if nothing happens for awhile they begin to ignore you. Keep low and keep quiet.

(And stop spending all your gold on clans! )

Yeah I kind of noticed that, a lot of people just plain hate Visaeris

You noticed? I'm sorry it took you so long. That's half the reason the DoC ended up falling apart and becoming the Goldleaf Cartel.

In any case, I repeat; keep it quiet. That's all I'm going say in order to avoid incriminating myself.

I'd so like to see it. I don't give a damn what anyone says, Visaeris had a lot of GOOD ideas. The easiest way of describing him is taking an analogy from George R.R. Martin's series, A Song of Ice and Fire. He's like iron. He's strong, but he'll break before he bends. He just stuck so true to his ideals, it eventually caused his own downfall. He was willing to make SOME sacrifices, just not "enough". Or, at the very least, he refused to break away from that which he held so, so dear.

ahhh George R.R. Martin? Whens the next book comming out, and who votes with me that he's going to ruin the whole story and make it end up just like every other fantasy novel?

Don't you love that analogy?

One is steel, sturdy and unbreakable, but rusty when left to hang unused.
One is iron, hard and strong, but he will break before he bends.
And one is copper, pretty in the sun, but to flimsy and will shatter when tested by force.

It's not exact, I haven't read the books in a while, but that was the essential summary of the three kings.

There's an analogy in the Wheel of Time, something about how an oak will stand and resist, and eventually gets torn up by the storm, while a willow will bend and be safe.

Although that analogy was supposed to show how men are stubborn.

YOu do realize both those analogies are about as old as willows and Steel? The tree analogy is almost cliche now its so old.

Haven't heard either of them outside of here/books.

Well, I suppose analogies aren't something people usually discuss.

I just bought the first one (A Game of Thrones), along with 'Wrinkle in Time', 'The Sword of Shannara', 'The Eye of the World', 'The Complete Chronicles of Narnia', 'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone', 'The Belgariad: Volume One: Pawn of Prophecy, Queen of Sorcery, Magician's Gambit'.

I think you can get what I'm going for (rereading LotR first, and then I want to read some more of my Discworld books (up to Eric now); I also promised my g/f I'd read 'The Mists of Avalon'), with the first book of a bunch of so-called great series' that I've never touched.

I also bought 'The Lone Drow' in the same set . $78.51 total, minus my $50 gift card from g/f's parents for Christmas. No book was over $14, and no -single- volume (not including 3 Belgariad volumes or Narnia volumes here) was over $8 . I love books. Weee.

Well to be honest, I heard the anologies in the Talmud, they are used to explain what type of charachter traits are needed to do Teshuva (returning to G-d/repenting/answering questions.. some words just can't be translated) and figured if Robert Jordan used it, he must have gotten it from somewhere outside the Talmud, so I'm sure its been circulating the moral development books of the ages.

Read Eye of the World first. I guarantee you'll get hooked and buy the next book and read it before you get around to reading the others .