Perhaps it appears biased though I didn't mean for it to be. And you're right, I do want the war to stop.

One day I just enter the realms happily talking with my friends and argh! All interactions with Magnagorans forbidden. I have friends in both Magnagora and Serenwilde, even though I'm in neither, and I want to be able to talk and have fun with them without the other side screaming treason / whatever.

As for the "KILL KILL KILL!" bit, that's certainly the impression I'm getting from conversations.

You've got some serious issues, Thorgal.

You act as though you've got the answers and that your point of view is the only point of view. You don't even know who you yourself are, though, as you've been in how many cities/communes/guilds already? I must say that after reading your posts here I'm not surprised you've ended up on the "winning" side of it all.

Just so my post isn't simply a flame, I'll state that raising Crow is something that hurts Serenwilde. It may not be hurting them directly just to raise him, but you're empowering him to act and to give others a chance to act through his power. If Serenwilde stands back and allows Magnagora to raise Crow, they will get hurt sooner or later.

At least I don't have to guess and assume how it's like to be a magnagoran, serenwilder or celestian. Though I have no idea what the point of your post was, my point was that the logic saying "Magnagora should back off or don't get alchemy" being fair...is as retarded as saying let us raise Crow and you won't get hurt. Your reply obviously missed that completely.

You're right. I missed that completely. I thought you were offering up an alternative way to stop the war.

Actually, you make a good point that Serenwilde plays to its role of protecting White Hart and nature just as Magnagora plays to its role of conquering others and seeking power. (Unless, of course, I've missed your point again. In which case, I make the point myself then.)

We have no reason to end the war untill our goal is accomplished really.

But the question is..


Why are you trying so hard to accomplish this goal, as the only reason is to 'spread the taint' and ultimately, 'hurt serenwilde'

Well I guess you'll know that once we accomplished it.

We really couldn't give a flying fart about hurting Serenwilde for that and only that reason.

Tainting the Fae is all well and good you know, but in the end it accomplishes my two aforementioned points.

The same twisted logic that allows 'If you want alchemy, end the war' allows the decision 'Allow us to raise Crow, complete our aims, and we'll leave you alone'.

All in all, Serenwilde WOULD suffer less loss if they allowed Magnagora to succeed. But that'd be like the US telling Canada 'Ok, if you let us kill just 10000 of you, we'll be satisfied'. Hell no; Canada would fight it (and lose more than 10000, most likely).

Twisted logic rules .

THAT...Rexali, was exactly the point I made which Zarguan failed to understand.

(my hypothetical scenario is to illustrate that Serenwilde should stand up to Magnagora on moral grounds, although logically, they achieve more loss).

However, Magnagora doesn't gain from having Crow alive, really (Glomdoring's ALREADY tainted, after all), and only Serenwilde is hurt. The alchemy ban actually hurts both sides (serenwilde because it loses part of its business), and benefits both sides if removed.

I can't think of an example similar to the one you gave offhand, but it's more accurate to say that Magnagora's goals are purely harmful, while Serenwilde's aren't.

But what I'm getting at,

Is why does Magnagora -want- to Taint the Fae?

Is there another reason beyond the aforementioned, 'Spread the Taint' (which is Magnagora's ultimate goal)

and 'Hurt Serenwilde'?

There is a clear reason in eventuality. That will be revealed most likely after Magnagora finally succeeds.

It has nothing to do with harming others, but only furthering the causes of Magnagora.

(Edit: I believe less than ten Magnagorans, not including the two Patrons, know exactly what the reason is).

Magnagora gains from raising Crow and killing Hart. You may know what they are trying to do, but I won't mention because some person who is upset at dying would probably take this from OOC to IC, which happens a lot.

I'll give you serenwilders a hypothetical example so maybe you can understand this better.

Lets say the leaders of Serenwilde figured out a way to make five times as many potions from the same amount of herbs. However, to do this task Serenwilde was required to have the Corpse of a Nil Demon Lord and the corpse of a Supernal, and they must both be placed in the alembic when Celest and Magnagora both have less power in their nexus than Serenwilde.

If you informed Celest or Magnagora of this goal, they all they would have to do is make sure they don't spend power and keep guard at their supernals and demonlords. However if you go on a general war with them then Celest and Magnagora might spend lots of power on their feats and perhaps spend energy defending their villages instead of the Cosmic planes.

Serenwilde's goal in this war would not be to hurt Celest of Magnagora, merely to be able to make more potions with less herbs, however in order to do that, they first need to hurt Serenwilde.

Also to any outsider, draining Celest and MAgnagora's power, and Killing Supernals and Demonlords, would look purely like an attempt to only hurt the cities when in reality the goal is only to help people make more potions.

I'll pulled this example 100% out of my Arse, and in no way am I implying that this should happen, this should be a goal, or that this is in any way similiart to past or future events. (now I know why they have that silly Fiction disclaimer at the end of movies)

Does that make more sense now?

35 of 77 want it to continue, while a large proportion of Seren (roughly two thirds) want the war to stop. Interesting, I actually thought more would want it stopping, seeing as the Seren are getting beaten up and the Magnagorans are finding alchemy hard.

refer to my previous post and the numbers don't seem so odd.

I'm guessing the lack of replies means I've made the point... YAY for a first!

Bah, Its like a boil on the ass of humanity...Lets pop it! Honestly I find this war to be crap your pants funny. The instant the Mightiest Empire in Lusternia feels any pain they scream "NO FAIR DADDY! THEYRE CHEATING" and the Serenwilde is like "WTF mate?" and staring at the onrush of the Magnagoran Juggernaught like a wombat in rush hour traffic.