You just sound dumb. Especially you're 'other IRE game' comment- since you have no idea what you're talking about, you should just try and save face, and shut up before someone points out how wrong you are about me.

I have no problem with Jelaludin- he was arrogant the first time we fought, but seems to have calmed down since. No doubt he'll soon become one of Lusternia's top fighters, but at the same time he can speak for himself. There's no need to kiss his ass.

Kiss ass? You really don't know anything about me if you think I lower myself to that. Hell, I am damned notorious for my lack of ass-kissing ability.

About my "other IRE games" comment - I know Jello's alts and the terror they inspired in the general populace, and considering how well you fight on here, I can't see that your rep and abilities there would be drastically different from here, in which case puts you in the Tier 2 level of combatants (possibly Tier 3, since Lusternian systems and combat abilities in general are comparable to Achaea 5-6 years ago - which in my book is an awesome point).

Firstly, if there's a Tier 1 in Lusternia, I'm in it. I don't see how you could say otherwise, unless there's somehow a Tier 1 which consists solely of Valek's pinleg, and it isn't like I haven't beaten Valek either. The whole tier system is stupid; it's made by people who obsess over being better than the next guy, who then use it to justify losing to other people on the grounds of 'cheap tactic', 'lag', 'bug' or whatever else. It's fairer (more fair?) to put everyone in their own unique tier of combat and treat each as themself.

There -is no- IRE elite group.

As for the 'let's 'rank' you lower since we're talking about Lusternia, not Achaea', that's yet more crap. Judge people relative to their competitors, that's how you determine skill. Which makes Valek a good fighter, because he's the best knight in Lusternia. Tuek also a good fighter, because he's the best Moondancer. Saying 'uh, Tuek sucks cause if he was put up against Tuerney in Achaea he'd lose' or implying anything similar, is ridiculous.

*shrug* the ranking of people is a habit I got into years back and never been able to get out of. And as far as the Tiers go, just looking at the way you cured from the logs you posted, and the way you show your knowledge of the various combat abilities makes you a tier 2. If you could cure better and knew how the skills interacted better then you would be in the 1st tier.

Ironically the "cheap tactic" line could also be used to describe the way you complain about dying to certain skills doesn't it.

Lastly, my ranking you lower because of the other IRE muds was in retort to your You just sound dumb. Especially you're 'other IRE game' comment- since you have no idea what you're talking about, you should just try and save face, and shut up before someone points out how wrong you are about me. comment. On here you are a Tier 2, on Imperian, Achaea or Aetolia, where people have been around longer and there is a better defined hierarchy of fighters you would probably be a tier 3. Me on the other hand - in any IRE mud (bar Imperian where I was 2nd tier for a fair while) I would be a 3rd to 4th tier fighter.

You have no clue about healing. You're just parroting what Daevos said. 'Inferior curing', well that's bullshit. My inferior curing gives me a 100% victory rate against him in duels. If there's anything inferior about it, it's the fact that I've only been playing Lusternia since a couple weeks before Christmas, and developed the system from scratch.

There is no irony about my 'cheap tactic' comment. Find me one example where I said I was a better fighter than someone else because they used a 'cheap tactic'. You'll find that in every case I've stated that cheap means effective, and if I myself had that particular strong strategy or ability, I would use it also. In Achaea, I was always called a 'Tier 2' fighter, but often beat 'Tier 1' classed fighters. Of course every time it was down to my overpowered race/class combination, or lag, or what I had for breakfast that morning, but the fact is- dividing people into tiers of superior and inferior fighting is, in such an in-depth combat system as we have in IRE games, stupid.

You do realize that you're making my point for me? Of the entire time you were "raiding", the 3 seconds that you spent actually inside the village and not hidden behind Suspect and issues, you didn't last very long.

It isn't hard to understand why Daevos was respected, even when he was raiding constantly. As impressive as your 3 seconds are, I kind of doubt anybody is going to respect you for them.


Do you only read the pieces that suit you, or did you miss the fact that it wasn't considered aggressive at the time? Or do I look pacified to you? The entity was about as aggressive as leading a cow in front of you. Will you be burning down fields next, then issuing the farmers because you tripped over their cows on the way out? Lord forbid you should actually attack someone instead of crying Issue for the slightest things, for fear that you might lose the safety of your Suspect status and last even less than 3 seconds this time.

Edit: At any rate, we've hijacked this thread enough. And as we are going nowhere but in circles, I don't plan on replying again.

I would definetely say that Amaru is a "tier-1" fighter (who the hell came up with that tier crap anyway?), and unlike most "tier-1" fighters he isn't an arrogant ass. I've had a few decent conversations with him before that haven't ended up in fighting or any of that crap. Being a good fighter is one thing, being a jackass because of it (eg. Valek) is another.

Don't really know Jelaludin that much besides a few times I've fought with him. He's been around about a week and is already contesting for Geomancer Champion.

About the cheap tactics thing, I agree with Amaru that "cheap" usually means good use of skills that the other person just can't handle. I also love it when people complain about "whoring" a skill, why not use a skill that you know works effectively?

Whoa, ok, we got a little sidetracked again, didn't we? But basically, what I'm seeing is that no-one really thinks the godlike skills in Serenwilde are great enough to justify their character joining and themselves putting in the effort for them to grow.

Am I mistaken?

(And a Divine posted onto a thread I created! I feel so warm and tingly inside now. )

(Curse you Elryn! >_<)

But I think you are mistaken, in this case. If I call a skill broken, it won't be for lack of effort that I want to prove it so, but a lack of the...what, £150 I'd have to spend to get the tritrans (actually more) and immense amount of hours necessary to prove it.

Aye, I understand your point, but surely people have bought credits for their primary characters, and gained bonus lessons for newly created ones. I did it once, and so I'm fairly confident others have. If not, roleplay your primary character shifting allegiance to Serenwilde. There are ways other than spending more money.

Again, the point I'm trying to make here is that since we don't dominate the world, and we don't win every single conflict we engage in, I must either assume we aren't by far as powerful as these forums make out, or we just don't have the right people. I'm inviting anyone to show us all that it is the latter.

Come and show us that a single capable combatant teamed with our abilities can storm over any and all opposition, and bring Serenwilde to the top of the basin. I would have thought the status that goes along with that would be quite enticing.

Edit: And I wouldn't ask this if it were one or two skills that everyone felt were unbalanced. But it isn't. Pick any Moondancer skill, or Serenwilde commune advantage, and it is likely being disputed as already too powerful somewhere on these forums. Healing, Hexes, Moon, Wicca, Nature, Totems. (Hmm, actually, I can't think of any totems skill problems... woohoo!) The size of our forest, the nature of our defenses, our power generation, our divine aide, etc. I just think it has reached the point where someone needs to step up and prove how blissfully Serenwilde is unaware of their power.

Give me 2 weeks to learn the skills, the same amount of skills I have now except reversed, but if someone was just to switch over immediately and use the skills to prove they are good. Well then, that is very bad RP

So over the next few months we should be seeing a powerful combatant rise to the fore, and begin leading the troops? (Sorry, I don't think I quite understood your post, Silvanus)

Only one who thinks that our skills are far too good and is willing to prove it?

So... instead of using logic to prove a skill overpowered, you want someone to break RP and/or waste money to prove skills overpowered

It just seems rather odd that everyone whines about our skills being overpowered, yet we are not the ones who win almost every confrontation. Don't give me the stuff about Magnagorans obeying their leaders and flocking to fights and all that; we want proof that our skills are as overpowered as everyone whines and not just a whole heap of penis envy because we are powerful inside forests.

Check the forums, I do try to use logic to defend our skills. To be honest, I am simply getting tired of defending things I shouldn't have to. It takes a lot of thought and logic to be on the defensive and explain exactly why there aren't any good reasons for an adjustment. It takes little to none to shout 'UNFAIR!', and say, "I can't beat that all the time! Make it so I have a way of preventing every possible tactic, and they have no way to reasonably hurt me!"

I also didn't promote breaking RP. Do you think Serenwilde would just take any turncoats from its enemy purely for OOC reasons?

I agree with Quigyboo (though that was a hilarious way of putting it!), I think its just time someone actually gave some evidence for all this debate that doesn't coincidentally advantage their own characters, or revolve around the argument that you don't like facing it. Stop insulting us as players, and prove it. If we are so powerful, its actually going to be fun, because you'll be an unstoppable force in the world. (I personally think of Magnagora like that now, so show me the same can be said of Serenwilde)

It's one thing to be under a siege and losing ground steadily with little hope left for ourselves. From what I've seen, the morale of players there is at an all time low. Its quite another to deal with that in game and then turn around and actually be accused of being demi-gods who through laziness can't use their skills whatsoever, and should have them all removed. What ever happened to being happy to win? Rather than entirely crushing the spirit of your opposition, oocly?

Elryn, give me 1700 credits or so (how much Silvanus used, something close to that), on a new Seren character, and then yeah, I can prove that they are powerful.

Pffft. I'm going to pay you to prove something I think impossible to prove? I don't think so.

I figured out why all Magnagorans scream overpowered all the time.

Most came from Mhaldor.

Well, thats a lie.

I came from Bloodloch, which, compared to Enorian, is underpowered.