Esperantanoj

by Gwynn

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Gwynn2005-01-14 13:03:52
Titolo keil indikas, tio temo estas skribanta pri Lusterniajn esperantanojn. Mi estis kvin jarojn cxefpartejn lernendas esperanton, sed mi ne bone dirigas.

Mi scivolas cxu aliulo esperanton direblas? Dirivulo estas, min nepublike kontaktu.

P.s. If you don't understand, don't worry. This post isn't aimed at you.
Shiri2005-01-14 16:31:44
I WISH I spoke Esperanto. sad.gif It'd be so much better than French and stuff. Darn illogical modern languages. (Yes, I know we English are almost as bad. tongue.gif)
Richter2005-01-14 18:41:11
I used google, babel fish, and other random resources. Couldn't find what it was, or how to speak it, which irritates someone with large amounts of web searching experience.

Just have to say... Mis pantalones estan enfuego, pero tu no puedes comprender lo que yo soy hablando de, porque tu estas un abrazador de arboles loco.

Hey, it's been since 11th grade, I think that was a decent attempt.
Unknown2005-01-14 19:00:06
Esperanto is a language developed by a group of linguists who thought they could create the perfect language, unbiased sexually or by issues of grammar, respect or obsolete etymology. Which makes it kind of funny that he's being so exclusive about it.
Unknown2005-01-14 19:21:21
I can't understand it, but I'm pretty sure he's not being exclusive, he just wants to find people who speak it. Not teach little 13 year olds who think it sounds cool. I dunno, though.
Daganev2005-01-14 19:28:23
I took an esperanto class, so I know what that paragraph is suppose to say, I just have no knowledge of languages outside english and hebrew, so my Vocab sucks! I can tell you which of those words are nouns verbs or adjectives though!
Gwynn2005-01-14 21:40:12
This Page will give you a brief overview of Esperanto if you're interested (I'm very suprised a google search turned up nothing, considering there are hundreds of thousands of Esperanto pages out there).

I wasn't trying to be "Exclusive", but meh. For those of you who don't speak it, the topic is called "Those who speak Esperanto, do we have any who can speak Esperanto?" (Yuck, I just realised how awkward that sounds in English...its smooth in Esperanto, trust me.)

The bulk of it says:

"As the title suggests, this topic is being written for those who are Lusternians that can speak Esperanto. I've been learning Esperanto for the better part of 5 years now, but I'm not all that good.

I wish to know if there are any who are able to speak Esperanto? If you can, talk with me privately (by which I mean PM)"

Though it kinda defeats the purpose of the post by translating it for you, but what the hey.

It is an artificial language created in 1880 by Professor Zahmenhoff (who went by the alias "Dr Esperanto" (Esperanto beans "One who hopes"), which is how the language got its name), it is spoken as a second language flunetly by around about 4-8 million people worldwide, and there have even been cases of people trying to create Esperanto Communities (though that, again, defeats the main idea behind the language, which is making an easy to learn, universal second langauge).

Its an interesting language because the rules are fairly easy, and there are no exceptions. It also has an interesting system of word building (as Daganev may or may not be able to attest to - I don't know how far he went with his lessons) and so with a small vocabulary you can actually say a rather lot.

Although I've only met, in person, two other people who can speak it, I've met dozens on the internet and I've also discovered that Esperanto has a HUGE community. As academics seem to be the kind of people who pick up languages, many of them write articles in their fields in Esperanto. There are even a few dedicated Esperanto search engines, and I've found that they turn up more useful results (especially on obscure subjects), though the job of translating them is a little bit above my language ability (especially if its a scientific article, I don't know the science grammar rules very well).

I even found some Esperanto "Adult" sites, by way of typo. I laughed quite hard when I saw the results pop up and thought "What is the world coming to?"
Unknown2005-01-14 22:14:32
Ooo... I've always wondered since I was a kid "why isn't there just one language?" and Esperanto looks like the closest to a "global" language.

I might learn it... I sucked at Japanese though.
Gwynn2005-01-14 23:12:39
QUOTE(Zaltan @ Jan 15 2005, 09:14 AM)
Ooo... I've always wondered since I was a kid "why isn't there just one language?" and Esperanto looks like the closest to a "global" language.

I might learn it... I sucked at Japanese though.
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You'll be happy to know, then, that Esperanto isn't much like Japanese at all *grin*

Something I found interesting that I learned about it recently is that apparently, in the 1970s, Chairman Mao actually made Esperanto a state-sanctioned language, and it was taught in High School in China throughout the decade.

Consequently I first heard about Esperanto when reading Phillip José Farmer's riverworld. It becomes the official language of humanity. I'd better master it before I die...I want a head start when I awake on river world!
Dan2005-01-15 08:13:12
funny, I thought English was the global language... just like the US dollar is accepted in most countries around the world...

thats right, I am an American red-neck jerk! okay, not really.

But it is true that English IS the most commonly spoken language around the globe, and the US dollar is accepted as currency in most countries accross the world as well.

Not to sound like an American ass or anything, just saying... closedeyes.gif
Unknown2005-01-15 08:59:41
QUOTE(Dan @ Jan 15 2005, 09:13 PM)
funny, I thought English was the global language... just like the US dollar is accepted in most countries around the world...

thats right, I am an American red-neck jerk!  okay, not really.

But it is true that English IS the most commonly spoken language around the globe, and the US dollar is accepted as currency in most countries accross the world as well.

Not to sound like an American ass or anything, just saying...  closedeyes.gif
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There are more speakers of Mandarin than English, but that's because China is so populated. I don't think the US dollar is accepted in most countries... Hmm.
Gwynn2005-01-15 09:06:08
QUOTE(Dan @ Jan 15 2005, 07:13 PM)
funny, I thought English was the global language... just like the US dollar is accepted in most countries around the world...

But it is true that English IS the most commonly spoken language around the globe, and the US dollar is accepted as currency in most countries accross the world as well.
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Um...no. US currency is not accepted in most countries around the world (perhaps it is in North American countries, but I know if you went to europe and tried to pay in American Dollars you'd be laughed at)

You're also wrong on the Language. English is one of the more commonly spoken languages in the world, but Spanish is spoken by more people, as is Chinese. French is also spoken in more COUNTRIES, though not by more people.

English is by no means a global language. Officially, according to the IOC (International Olympics Comitee...yeah I know they're not the BEST authority, but they're the only one to have an "Official" international language) the international language is french.

Besides, you can barely use English to communicate with other English speaking nations (You Americans try getting on in South Africa, or even here in Australia, you wont understand 50% of what is being said).

Also, English is a terrible language to learn, it is right up there on the "Hardness" scale.

I think I speak for all the non-Americans here (and probably some of the Americans) when I say Stop making your country look any stupider in the eyes of the rest of the world than they already think it is : P
Unknown2005-01-15 09:47:13
QUOTE(Gwynn @ Jan 15 2005, 10:06 PM)
I think I speak for all the non-Americans here (and probably some of the Americans) when I say Stop making your country look any stupider in the eyes of the rest of the world than they already think it is : P
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Well, you at least speak on my behalf (a New Zealander).

Hehheh, I'm doing tutorial things on lernu!, and here is a bit in it:

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Eble iam UN pensos ke Esperanto estas bona ideo... 
Maybe sometime the UN will think that Esperanto is a good idea...

tongue.gif

Oh, and it is a very good site, and the language is... well... perfect! Much easier than trying to decipher roomaji from katakana from hiragana from kanji - and then learning all the exceptions - in Japanese.
Unknown2005-01-15 10:04:17
What does this mean, it keeps on popping up:

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Pardonon, la ekzerco ankorau ne estas prita.
Shiri2005-01-15 12:03:39
Huh. I thought katakana and kanji were the same. Guess I better have another look. 0_o

And actually, English -is- the most widely spoken language, but only as far as number of countries go. It's spoken in about 57 countries, the next one down (I think French or Spanish) is spoken in about 30something.

Both Spanish and Chinese are spoken by more people, as well as Spanish generally not sucking as far as languages go (I wouldn't know about Chinese, but from what I've seen of my brother's classes it's RIDICULOUSLY complicated, takes about a year to write one sentence tongue.gif), but French isn't quite as close as English in that regard.

EDIT: I wish more countries took the pound, I don't want to have to rememorise a new currency when we end up switching to Euros, dangit! tongue.gif
Gwynn2005-01-15 22:38:45
QUOTE(Zaltan @ Jan 15 2005, 09:04 PM)
What does this mean, it keeps on popping up:

Pardonon, la ekzerco ankorau ne estas prita.
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"Sorry, the excercise is not yet (whatever Prita means)"

Let me go find out what it means for you, its not in my vocabulary.
Gwynn2005-01-15 22:46:24
Hmm, as I suspected, it was a common word with a suffix. Its "Pro" with the "-it" suffix.

Pra means "fore" as in "before". -ita means its a passive verb. ("The dog ate the meat" -active "The meat was eaten by the dog" -passive).

So, my best bet would be it says something along the lines of "Sorry, the excercise is not yet forewritten"?

Maybe its an error telling you that you haven't completed all of the questions.
Dan2005-01-16 04:06:56
... the sad thing Gwynn, is its true, like, 90% of the world prolly does hate America. Especially after they see Fahrenheit 9/11 or even worse, Team America: World Police...

puppet sex... eww.
Daganev2005-01-16 05:01:24
Back in 2000, when I took the class, there was an Esperanto convention. At the convention they hand out these handy books that give you the name and addresses of volunteer Esperanto speakers. Basically, the people in the book offer to allow you to stay in their homes while you visit that country and help be a nice tour guide for you. This way, no matter what country you try to visit you can have a "friend" there who speaks your language.

I found this aspect very cool, and if I wasn't Jewish would probabbly have spent more time learning the language (Jews allready have such a language and community)

And yes, the word building was fun, I spent most of the class translating things such as the Pledge of Alegiance, and found that with little help it was easy to translate, and then write a poem. But I stink at langauges (after 17 years of learning hebrew I still always get a C- in the class) so I kind of just smile and think about how cool the langauge is without being a part of it.
Unknown2005-01-16 10:31:30
QUOTE(Gwynn @ Jan 16 2005, 11:46 AM)
Maybe its an error telling you that you haven't completed all of the questions.
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Hmm. It shows up every time, and I do answer all the questions.

Maybe I cleared the questions before I pressed it or something.