Plain and simple if you wish to point fingers at who betrayed who then it was Serenwilde and the Moon coven who decided to forsake Celest who has protected the fae and everything they love.

Shiro, everything Tuek just said is correct; Celest really didn't help Serenwilde out much.

EDIT: Except losing Southgard. I dunno who would have won that.

Hell, if Celest really didn't help Serenwilde then Ethereal would of fallen to the crow and Mag

No, New Celest as a whole, was generally a useless ally. They did little to help, and at the key times where things could have been put to an end (Lisaera blessed us, making it easier for us to kill Gorgulu), New Celest refused to help. The only deal we made, was in relation to villages, that we help New Celest win two, and they help us win two. I see New Celest with two, where is ours? We usually outnumbered New Celest's influencers when it was us helping them capture a village, because we made sure that every able fighter was there. When it was our turn to to influence, we'd be lucky to get 2 Celestian's to help. It was always the work of a few individual Celestians, the rest of the City being lazy.

Edit: This is the common opinion ICly of New Celest, that they didn't help us all along. Only a few individuals helped us, and many of the individuals helping, AGREE with us, that New Celest didn't help.

It's true we didn't keep up our end of the bargain very well, but that wasn't on account of 'betrayal'. It was more that we're just not very good. We never had many particularly able fighters and a lot of the ones we did have left recently. Military wise, we're a bit shabby at the moment.

Not to say people can't view it as betrayal in character, if they're so inclined, but every time I've been around we've certainly mustered up all we could when the time came to help Serenwilde. It just didn't end up being a whole lot.

So, you know, bring on the Celest sucks posts, I suppose. Just speaking from my point of view, here. We certainly weren't being intentionally useless.

Agreed

I think we know a few of you helped and we do appreciate the efforts of those people, it just leaves a bitter taste knowing that we sent hordes of our people to help take villages with you, and you sent only a few for us. That's all. I understand you are having difficulties but I really don't believe that there were only 2 or 3 of you available and able to help us take villages when we needed.

actually, there was.

I was also extremely annoyed at Eldanien's incompetence. See one of my prior posts.

What Jerah said is the nut of the matter. The Celest guilds are very apathetic and there is no forced participation via threatened city or guild disfavours for failure to aide in a village conflict. The help given is from dedicated individuals but the guilds themselves are ineffective in organizing any form of battle groupings. The city is still building up a fighter base but is hampered by the continual siphoning off of these fighters to Serenwilde or Magnagora for the perceived better skill sets.

And Quidgyboo, that really is the sad fact of the matter. The government is willing but the guilds are ineffective, the aquamancers in particular have no leadership whatsoever and their guildmaster is never around so one out of the three guilds is automatically gone in the city as far as rallying the guilds to the cities causes. Yes Rhysus is an aquamancer but he is pretty busy with the city and Mistie...well...whos Mistie?, kinda says it all.

Getting back to the reason for this thread, I was playing my Seren char when this was going on and being one of the little people who had no knowledge of what was "supposed" to happen I loved it. It shook up my little world and made things very interesting. I loved the event and it was a great change from the norm.
Thank you very much for the event.

I see a few of the ministers from Celest active and doing things, especially Jerah, but when it comes down to the populace as a whole... I don't know. There's a reluctance to do anything that might get them beaten down again for sure, coupled with the siphoning of players that's been mentioned before. I can't stand Celest guilds at all which is why I'm not a part of one. I just regret not being able to be around for hardly any of this event at all, though when I was there, I worked to help the Seren in whatever way I could. Got a bit of an Elfen inclination to help the forest folk

Although they were useless, its not really their fault. Have you seen Celest's roster of citizens lately? When they actually DO have people on, so few of them are anyone noteworthy (and I don't mean to offend the other, but so few of you are powerful / influential) that we'd have been better of if all the few rogues of sapience helped us.

The event was tiring, and unrewarding and frustrating DURING (I must admit, I was about ready to give up and leave for other muds), but now that I look back, I can see that it ended interestingly, and the rebuilding will be an interesting time for some roleplay to crop up.

So .. what exactly has happened in this event ?

With all due respect, but those comments show how little clue the divine had of what was going on. Didn't you get notified how the Crow quest codes had to be changed because they were physiscally IMPOSSIBLE to complete? Throughout the whole event we were plagued by bugs in the code wherever we looked, items decaying too fast, mobiles not responding to actions and items, mobiles not doing what they're supposed to do, like giving 50 pustules to the crone without her ever changing into Rowena, which I bugged countless times and at the long last saw it fixed, when it was already too late. The entire moon-requirements got changed become the time window we had was like -8- hours too short, etc....I'm quite dismayed to have to read those comments, lady Estarra...they seem terribly disinformed, or am I overlooking things?

Yes, your overlooking things. No, I'm not misinformed.

I have one question about this Estarra.......


Why was i referred to as a stooge? I RPed it as following lawful orders as a soldier of the empire. Not a stooge did you see me go Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk?

Events are fun, although leave it to me to leave Celest as Magnagora finally eases off and join Serenwilde right as they start to get pounded.

stooge

n 1: a person of unquestioning obedience 2: a victim of ridicule or pranks v 1: cruise in slow or routine flights 2: act as the stooge; "His role was to stooge for the popular comedian" 3: act as a stooge, in a compliant or subordinate manner; "He stooged for the flamboyant Senator"


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

Edited to give full definition and source

By the way...thanks for not docking my RP points about the Nyuk shout, it was like 4am, I had been in game for 13 straight hours because of this damn event, and I had typed it before I realized what I was typing. *flutter*

Yeah, but stooge has negative connotations with it. Loyal soldier or lieutenant would've been nicer! heh.