love how you assume you know what's happening. Do you know for a fact Amaru tried decieving his way into killing a small group of magnagorians? Heh, there is no reason to. Sounds more like Amaru may have been checking with Jelani about what they were doing ebfore taking action and Jelani, wanting a friend to come along, asked the others if he may join. Then again, I may be wrong, but it's better than just assuming it is the worst thing possible.

Just wanted to respond to a few points I saw up here:


1. The Loboshigaru should/could defend the temple - I really don't see this happening at all. When I look at rwho at anytime as a loboshigaru, I usually see at the most 4 loboshigaru on, and they usually breakdown into two Magnagorans, and 2 Celestians. Occasionally you get the random Serenwilder in there, but almost always it is a 50/50 split of Celest/Mag. I would be happy to help out with this, but again, not sure how well we would work together. Personally, I plan to RP in the Monastery as much as possible and may react harshly to people bashing there.

2. The debate about Amaru killing someone for attempting a quest - I believe someone said, why are you denying someone when your own MASTER said he could. Well, I'll try that argument on Serenwilde if I decide to raise Crow...well Brennan and Rowena gave me permission to raise him. Yeah, that'll fly far. I don't necessarily agree with the tactics of the non-loboshigaru included, but I do support defending the monastery. I'm not saying be a fanatic about it, and if you are going to RP that angle, RP it for all non-loboshigaru, not just the Mags.

That being said, can't wait to try the final part of this. Being a Lobo, I'll probably get whooped, but it will be fun. I encourage any of my IC brethren to RP the monastery with me, you can usually find me sitting with the Masters at any point.

Oh yes, entered the 2nd part of the quest....

totally deffed

5.8k health



OWNED BY THE SPIRITS

They team and the hunters hit big time.

I killed a bunch, but ran out of mana.

Some good points, some bad points.

Yes, me and Riyo take roleplay as Loboshigaru seriously. It's so predictable, and so immature to claim 'they're after the honour lines' because really, that's not true. We just want the blessing of our long-lost racial leaders to pass onto US, not some tainted Tae'dae.

Of course it would have been preferable to have taken a group of Loboshigaru. That would be -ideal-, but since Lusternia is not (actually) a real world, there would be an extremely limited response. Let me just check RWHO right now...

3784h, 2478m, 2980e, 10p ex-rwho

Illuminated Twilight Amaru, Champion of the Even Blade
3784h, 2478m, 2980e, 10p ex-

As for the Celestians who came, I didn't 'use my authority' to get them to come. I asked on CT if anyone wanted to help me prevent Guido and a predominately Magnagoran group to succeed in completing the quest.

As for Jelani, he didn't even mention it to me. I 'deceived' nobody. A lot of you seem to be pulling reasons to be disgusted at Amaru out of thin air. That goes to you, Dan, with that reply proving you to be an utter idiot. Telling me about roleplay when you 'kissed Lisaera PASSIONATELY' in front of a group of people without even explaining yourself- telling me I should 'ask Guido what city he's from? Ask him what he's doing'? I know exactly what he's doing. Amaru is no Serenwilder, don't expect him to act like one.

Before you start screaming BAD ROLEPLAY, try -thinking-. You're given this challenge by the monastery Masters. While you're down there, a group lead by a Loboshigaru appears and destroys your team. Who are you to judge anyone's loyalties? For all you know, I could have been asked to do this by the Masters themselves. I could have been ordered by a deity to prevent you, as a vessel of the taint, from empowering yourself in any way. Who are you to judge Amaru's right to interfere? Stop being such a martyr.

And Estarra, put a group of Loboshigaru next to me and I'd gladly leave my non-Lobo friends behind and do things properly. Me and Riyo are (as was mentioned) starting a pureblood clan, which should give the few of us better communication. As it was, I sadly didn't have much choice.

I fail to see the connection.
Serenwilde and Brennan/Rowena are opposing each other. If you decide to raise Crow, it is pretty clear that you might be hated and hunted down by Serenwilders. Why would Serenwilders care that Brennan or Rowena gave you permission to do that, is Brennan or Rowena any Serenwilder's MASTER? I believe neither of them is. Is Quelle supposed to be enlightened Loboshigarus spiritual guide and authority? In general, yes, but of course every Loboshigaru will develop his own view on the matter. They should just be aware, and hopefully roleplay it in some manner, that doing so they object his will.
It would be interesting if some Lobos defied Quelle (also very irritating for anyone who would like to do this quest), but it just seems to me that Amaru and his friends just want to make this first, or even only allow Loboshigarus to make it, not for any valid IC reasons, but just because he's a Loboshigaru. What right does it give to you? Is this monastery -YOURS- to begin with?

It's just an assumption on my part though.

If the situation becomes more tense, it would be nice if Quelle spoke himself and informed the Basin what are his thoughts and how does he feel about Loboshigarus denying enlightment for those not of Loboshigaru race.

Missed Amaru's reply while writing, so...


honors riyo
Death Sentinel Riyo, of the Black Anvil (Male Undead Loboshigaru).
not some tainted Tae'dae, but tainted Loboshigaru is ok?


Well, Quelle could just not open the gateway for tainted beings to prevent 'vessels of the taint' from entering pits. And about Masters or divine orders, it's not entirely impossible, but I don't think it was that way. I guess you just decided that by yourselves.
Note the 'guess' part - of course I assume things, I'm not you.

We just need to wait and see what happens and how you will roleplay that.

Oh great.. I get one hit in there. Yeah I had no idea what was going on But I followed Amaru because Kaileigh was mad that Guido Left Terentia's order. or even was there to begin with.

I knew he was going some quest, didn't really care. Crap happens..



Oh yes. Such as the reasons I've gotten. Oh like.. Just being me. being in this order being in this city..being in the wrong place. Walking through a demesne on the way somewhere. Being good exp.

The latter being my favorite.

I fail to to see your response to my point.

The point I was referring to was where someone said, "They were trying to do a quest that the MASTER allowed them to do". Hence, the master basically said go ahead and do it. And my point was that Brennan and Rowena say I should raise Crow, but no one complains when Serenwilde shows up to kill me if I do it. Hence, no one should really complain when a loboshigaru shows up to defend the monastery that he or she may hold important. If you want to counter the statement as Amaru was just being an ass...maybe...but my point was don't use the "Master gave us permission to do it" argument. Many quests get permission from someone, does not mean people can't be pissed you are doing them.

When I was following the leads to find the Monastery, it was very interesting to talk to the robed loboshigaru. He totally changed my characters mind, by making references to me stepping through the portal (our coming into the game) and the Masters of old who didn't experience that or something. My character (rpwise) is totally changed by this and I now spend most of my time in the Monastery seeking information of the race as it was. I can guarantee that this will become a focal point for the Lobos, but as Amaru and I pointed out, there are very few of us. Due to the bonuses other classes (Viscanti, Elfen, etc.) get in their respective cities, not many people play the other races. So if Amaru, or myself, or Riyo want to defend the temple from large groups, we are going to have to include others in it. Running into a group of 5-6 with just yourself is not the most intelligent of moves. I'm not saying that was his pure motivation, as I am not he, but it is a numbers game. Before Amaru logged on, RWHO for Lobos showed myself and 2 novices. What a threatening group if we want to organize.

Glad to see a clan might be coming about, as I had no idea other people were actually RP'ing the race (riyo and amaru). The only other Lobo I knew was Xylia and we pretty much just RP'd it ourselves. My thanks to the Gods for putting this area in, and hopefully the good RP areas will keep being added.

When you raise Crow it's logical that Serenwilde goes after you because Serenwilde and Crow are -enemies-. Permission to raise him which you are talking about is given to you by Brennan or Rowena, not White Hart for example (or whatever its name is). In case of the monastery, Lobos are preventing you from fulfilling the task -their own- spiritual guide/leader/master/whatever gives to you and allows you to try. That's the difference I was trying to point out. If they stop you from completing this quest they're against the will of -their own- master. As I said, it does not mean he is breaking his role, this can be his roleplay, but it should be clear that he opposes -his- master to be. Unless master speaks and says he's glad they are denying entry for tainted ones, cause for now it doesn't look like he sees them unworthy. And again - Riyo's tainted so how is that?

Loboshigarus defending monks or monastery as a whole is fine, just like f.e. Guardians of Eternal Flame trying to protect Dracnari nomads. But do Guardians prevent people from doing Gaudiguch quest?

Again, it's not just -someone- who gives the permission to do it, it's the one who Loboshigarus should consider wiser then themselves and generally speaking, follow his instructions, unless they don't accept his authority. But then they lose any background and it's just thier own actions which they take, and should not look for any other support reasoning that they are -supposed- to do that from an IC point of view.
And Amaru seems like a badass to me, but it doesn't mean he cannot be the badass IC. I just have doubts it was IC reasoning, but he said it was so we're gonna see...

I have a weird feeling that I'm repeating myself over and over

And on addition - there are a lot of places inhabitated by one specific race and noone seems to prevent people from walking there and doing quests. There are Dracnaris in Skarch, Lucidians and Trills in Mesa, Dwarves in Rockholm and Southgard. Tosha Monastary doesn't seem to me like the place which should be denied access to by someone. I think it's not designed to be as specific as Glomdoring for example, as hunting there doesn't harm any community (at least I think so).
From an OOC point of view, it's a bit unfair, though it can be explained IC
But I guess we should bear it for the sake of RP

EDIT: By hunting, I mean going into the pits, like Quelle suggests

Again I say, the Master did not ORDER us to LET HIM try the challenge. From a roleplay perspective, how can you know if I was going against his wishes, or if I was a part of the challenge?

So my question is... will you be attacking anyone who attempts the challenge?

I figured I'd ask since there's no way either side is going to "win" their argument.

Did he ORDER, or even SUGGESTED that you should prevent him from doing so? Seeing how he allows to enter by opening gateway and urging forward, doesn't seem to me like he has objections. And is only orders what are you willing to follow? What about just observing your master's actions and learning his wishes from it? Monks and wise old people do not usually order things around.

Me and Riyo (and any other Lobos who want to help) will be:-

- Killing anyone who hunts the monks
- Asking non-Loboshigaru not to do the quest until a Loboshigaru has, and enforcing that.

To be honest, if we (lobos) were gonna RP it right, we would have kept it a secret. Told the other Lobos where it was and help to keep the monestary hidden as it was.

Unfortunately the events post prevent that, and it wouldn't be fair to the builder who made it to be limited to 4 or 5 people. So the Master may only have wanted Loboshigaru to complete it, as I have yet to see anyone other than Loboshigaru wandering the temple (mobs) seeking enlightenment. It's quite possible that it could be enlightenment for everyone, but I can see the point where they would assume the master doesn't. If we had total RP capability, I would have only told those of my race and kept our masters hidden. It's only a matter of time before the "I don't care what it is, I'm killing it" bashers move in.

Like I said above, the events/announce postings for new areas prevent that.

Hopefully we can find out more about the Monastery, and I plan on studying there as much as possible.

Amaru, uhm.. have you bothered to even begin the quest? A few of us were ready on the first day, but uhm.. minor technical difficulties prevented us from entering (Glad the gateway is fixed. ).

I'm going to do it with a group. If you want to come that's cool, but if I did the quest to open the gateway I'm sure whoever you follow would appreciate getting whatever the "reward" is prior to you. I really haven't seen any effort from you, but I don't watch you in the game like that.

Sure, it may be RP, but you damn sure better compete to enter the gate yourself.

Edit: Can we remove the ability to teleport/tesseract into the Tosha Pits? Doesn't seem very questlike to be able to cheat your way that far into it.

I'm not selfishly motivated. I personally am hopeless at questing, but some Loboshigaru is going to do it, not an outsider. I think Riyo is starting it today.

As honorable as that goal sounds (no one gets the honors line b4 we do!) it still reeks of kill first, justify after. I'd enjoy watching Amaru killing, say, Elaria should she attempt the quest .

Eh.. I guess that can be roleplay. So after a Loboshigaru gets "enlightened" in title (I'm not going to explain that) what are you going to do? Ignore it? I hope you have some sort of follow-up plan, as in maybe seeing who is deemed enlightened by the Monastery.. or something.

I just see Devris as the only Loboshigaru who cares about this in a true roleplay sense, but then again I never cared for the strongarm of anything.

Edit: Yeah, I agree with Rexali. Start slicing up some Celestians and I'll believe your intent.

My take on it for my IC perspective is this:

I'm not going to prevent anyone from finishing the quest, if my IC brethren do that is for them. I'm playing it as, although you can finish it and get the ancestoral enlightenment, you won't fully comprehend it to the level that the Loboshigaru will. Maybe this is true, maybe not, but other than randomly killing anyone in the Monastery, I like that path the best. The monks don't seem violent and live a life of peace, so I will follow in their footsteps and not prevent anyone from doing the quest.


So my character just became a raving monastary wanna-be monk!