Ellara, I just might fuffill that request for you

I agree with that entire post. And I think one of the problems with not getting any RP in Magnagora was that everyone was either bashing or PKing, nothing else. This, I believe, is a reason why many excellent RPers left Magnagora (maybe even the best), or even Lusternia itself.

I'm still there.... *peer*

How would you "fuffill" it?

I don't really see Daganev as all that evil. I can easily see him growing some sense of right and wrong or concious once he learns how to read and knows more of the world than just what he has seen in front of him.

I find it hard to picture someone evil who speaks like dis -- but that makes better roleplay, as does what Ellara mentioned about evil Celestians and good Magnagorans.

right thats what I ment. I can play a good magnagorian.

Well, just for clarity, the word "dude" was coined by Oscar Wilde. So it's a bit older than "sk8er-bois", but it's still nowhere near old enough for a swords-and-sorcery world.

Now, I'm not asking everyone to say "thou" and "forsooth" (though if you must, please look the words up and do it properly! nine uses out of ten are wrong!) but it's not hard to try to maintain a tone.

And by the stars, please don't talk about DNA or vitamin C, either. If you want to talk biology, go read about Galen's theory of humours -- given how Lusternian purgatives work, you can take for granted that this genuine medieval theory of medicine, dating back to ancient Greece, is how biology works here.

The way I see it, the leaders of both cities and the commune are being overly strict with their policies and actions, which limits what the ccitizens can do RPwise inside those groups. That is why I went rogue in the first place, because I would have been severely misplaying my pacifist character if I allowed her to be in a city that was involved in a war, and my efforts were contributing to the war machine. I think people need to stop playing it safe all the time, and go do something radical, not just follow along with what the leaders are doing.

You know... very few "Stop the war!" people in america renounce their citizenship and move to switzerland.

IT would be more interesting to be the voice of peace while IN the city and not from outside of it.

God yea... I've had Serenwilders telling me trees are important because of 'photosynthesis'. Of course, cutting down all the trees would apparently cause everyone to suffocate from 'no oxygen being produced'.

O the roleplay. Why do we bother?

Edit: Even worse, they act like I'm stupid for not understanding what they're talking about.

Or that time Tsaephai was asking me if I'd taken an Earth Physics course, because he couldn't BELIEVE I was stupid enough to believe Mother Moon was there all the time. *roll*

Priceless.

I think once Hallifax and Gaudiguch are freed from their time predicament and made into joinable cities with Hallifax commanding the element of Air and cosmic idea of Logic or Order... (Aeromancy and Logicalism?) and Gaudiguch commanding the element of Fire and the cosmic idea of Chaos, RP will multiply tremendously. Until then, as many others have said, too few people can really RP cities such as Celest and Magnagora, that to them seem stereotypes of good and evil, respectively.

Bent on conquest and domination, they quickly adapted to the prejudices of the peoples of the Basin, learning that brute force was not always the answer and instead finding more subtle manipulations were just as effective.- from HELP MAGNAGORA

Whatever happened to "suble manipulations" in Magnagora? Most of the people there seem to be relying on fulltime PKing brute force all the time there.

I'll have to agree on that. Most of the people automatically place Celest as Good, Magnagora as Evil and Seren as Neutral or whatever.

I think you're seeing the effects of the current Magnagoran leadership. Whereas Chade was a Nihilist and, in my experiences with him, more prone to politics and subtle machinations, Daevos is an Ur'Guard: a warrior and soldier. It's only natural (and fitting) that his reign focuses more on military strength and state security issues.

That isn't to say, however, that Magnagora is limited by its leadership, but rather that you'll likely see these things develop more as time progresses, and the Emperor has more experience under his belt in the political arena. To suggest that a renouned military commander become a master statesman overnight is a bit unrealistic, and would be exceedingly poor RP.

-Nok

If it's something you can full out notice, it wouldn't really be a 'subtle manipulation' now, would it?

Daevos, as warlord, and Ur'Guard, plays his role as less prone to politics, more prone to battle, in my opinion. However, he has people that are more affiliated with the politics than fighting, and are doing a damned fine job apparently, if people are NOT noticing what those individuals are up to. It might not be what it was, but change is normal, and neccessary throughout anything, even a game.

I'm always open for helping with RP things. Just throw a personal message here on the forums, an email, or a message in Lusternia proper. Try to be at least somewhat detailed on the situation and what you're aiming for, though. It's hard to work with something very generic.

(I have a slightly wonky schedule, however, so it's hard for me to be around at specific times unless you give me a good forewarning.)

As fun as it is to say Celest should act evil and Magnagora good, that would only make sense to a certain extent in game. Yes, they don't adhere to those concepts -exactly-, and there's some room for leeway, but at the same time, look at Celest's whole 'the Light' thing. People say "It's not good". Okay, but it -is- a lot of the elements of good. The Supernals represent Compassion, Hope, Wisdom, Honours, etcetera. It's rather ignorant to say 'oh, they're just being Shallam'. Those values are very much part of Lusternia, we have actual beings who represent them, and we are supposed to revere and respect those beings.

Same with Magnagora, to a lesser extent. They aren't perhaps as religious as Celest, but their Demon Lords are all about gluttony and torture and whatnot. They've been given a lot of back-up for an evil-ish role -within Lusternia-. We aren't just making this all up.

Yes, it's interesting to be different. There's some room for it. Heck, Celest murdered Fae when we thought it would help the Light. We aren't strictly good. But -in general-, unless the situation calls for us to do whatever it takes, we have a lot saying that we shouldn't act like a bunch of evil lunatics.

My point: We can take the roles we're given and play them in a lot of unique ways, but it's not like it's good roleplay to just ignore them altogether, as some seem to think. Celest will probably always be quasi-good and Magnagora quasi-evil. Mix it up a bit, but don't pretend it's not there.