Ialie got a point though, on which basis do you judge an organizational Rp

Their involvement in world-wide events as a guild.

But...Alyssandra!
The Taint...must... GO!

Yes, Alyssandra and Merloch are great at this. Two people who -rarely, if ever-, agree for anything. They'll stop the debate if it means protecting the Commune though!

Merloch feels the Serenguard don't pay attention to the broad scope. The Taint hurt two Great Spirits, afterall. Also, Moondancers are tending (or I'm trying, anyway) to be more spiritual and earthy based. Reflecting upon things, considering the impact and the reactions of the Great Spirits. It's quite fun, and an interesting journey.

Well y'see Merloch, the Taint was brought into this world by Celest, so it wouldn't make much sense being AGAINST Magnagora and FOR New Celest...stuff like enemying everyone for using spores except Celestians.

Except...

Celest died for that.
Merloch's sister is Celestian.
Celest has since tried to STOP the Taint.
and Magnagora slew 3 Moon Avatars, Tainted the Fae, tried to destroy the Serenwilde..

Honestly, Merloch has a very viable RP.


and Celestians who dont get permission first, get enemied too.

The Celestines need to be deleted from the game and reinstated so they can have another shot at defining their role. I cringe every time I look at the ghelps. Anointings, laying on of hands, baptisms? I mean seriously!

See, i already know it would end up like that.

When a group of people doesn't have a strongly defined Rp project, they are unescapably drawn toward entities of good alignement... because of the "they-are-cute-and-have-never-hurt-me-really" kind of reasoning.. and in the end, neutral and good aligned people tends to gang up on the supposedly evil one because it feels good to kill or hurt some baddies after a stressful day.

this is true for alignment as it is true for character devellopment project where characters whose personalities are not zealously designed to the welfare of an organization are slowly but unescapably shown the way out.
Those who have ever tried to play some kind of black sheep will know what i'm trying to say.

But black sheep are shown the way out in RL too except in a family.. maybe... but i disgress. but i'm thinking of Silvanus, Ellara Erion and every other who has ever been kicked out of somewhere while it was making sense and was not abuse.

I just want to say, again, that -Old- Celest caused the Taint. Then, a bunch of them became Tainted. At this point in history, there are just as much if not more descendants of those originally responsible for the Taint living in Magnagora, if there's any sense in the world. It's a valid -roleplay- to hate the current citizens Celest for it, but it's also perfectly valid and logical -not- to. We aren't tainted, we fight the Taint, and we aren't the same people who released it. You can't just make a blanket statement that if you're against the Taint you can't like Celest, that's completely illogical.

You are missing points, Jerah. It was the Empire's greed, which Serenwilde said was the cities greed, because they wanted more power in tapping in farther planes. If you really want to base your opinion that Celest is different, you shouldn't go to Astral at all, because that is where the Taint came from, and Celest re-founded the Astral plane and released the Taint. Plus, a city that released the Taint and caused world wide disasters in a loss of 2 Communes and 2 Cities re-finds a city on the shores of something that is not Tainted and close proximity to forest, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a Forestal.

As i can see , the fae event has not been sufficient. If you're not able to emulate the Rp background which has been designed for you, and if the written history is not sufficient for.. then let me tell you that there are people whose jobs are solely to build events for people like you.

Don't worry.. these events will come and come again until the fact that serenwilders can't be friend with cities folk eventually sink in ..

one war was not enough .. you want another ? muahahaha (go insane)

As I said clearly in my post, Silvanus, that's a perfectly fine thing to roleplay. I'm not -missing- anything, although you seem to have missed -my- point. I'm saying, OOC, you can't tell someone they're wrong for not seeing it the same way you put it just there. Different people interpret history differently and arrive at different conclusions. Would it be better roleplay for everyone in the world to look at everything from the exact same perspective?

In other words, it's perfectly valid to like Celest more than Magnagora, at least we aren't actively championing the Taint. Likewise, it's valid to not like us and think we haven't changed from the past. You could be as pissed about it as you like at Celest, but my point is that people need to stop stating their opinions as fact and acting as though no one is allowed to think differently in an out of character forum.

EDIT: *mutter* stupid thing screwing up

Anyway I said something along the lines of...

Most of us arent friends with city folk, at an administrative level the commune is forced to deal with and make agreements with cities purely in the iterest of helping the commune. We arent going to act in a manner that will cause the commune and nature even more harm than its already been through, just for kicks and giggles.

The Serenguard is trying very hard to define itself right now, thanks to the efforts of a few select individuals. We're sitting back and looking at just WHAT our values would be, I mean, we've had our fair share of newbies come along and accuse us of being corrupt because we dont do things they think "Knights" Should do, whereas we think "But thats exactly what this guild would do...".

We're taking a more tribal approach, which should be interesting.

As Gwynn said, we are currently trying to set in stone our guild ideals, and the closest it can be compared to is Native American warriors

as slow as the process may be....

For some reasont the Moondancers remind me of Shallamite Paladins of Achaea.... MUST.... KILL..... MHALDOR!

Well, I was never a Paladin, so I don't know.


Moondancer Theology is built quite complex.

We worship the Great Spirits. We're heavy on rituals and roleplay through that. Moon Spirit above White Hart, both above anything and anyone else.

Merloch would slay Alyssandra, if the Great Spirits deemed it necessary.

Through that, we also have several considerations.

There are Three Forestal Communes. Two were lost due to the Taint (One exists, one is Tainted)

In one Commune, Two Great Spirits are lost to the Taint, something undecidedly horrible.

In another Commune, we are unsure of their fate due to the fact that they may not have survived 'transition' to 'nonexistence'

Also due to Taint.

For this, Farella let all of Celest die. Their mistake was theirs to take to the grave.

Merloch thinks about this quite often. Should all of Celest have perished? Did they all deserve it?

Hallifax did not want to support Project Cosmic Hope, but it did for politics. Do they serve to remain trapped wherever they may be?

Celest started out and killed several fae at the bequest of mixed words of a Supernal.

Merloch went into a rage, and for a while refused to even speak with those in Celest. However, mistakes have happened. Even his own kind make mistakes, and Celest attempted to fix it. Even further, Merloch learned interesting information to make his decision to ..associate.. with Celest even more firm.

He does not trust cities, but he does not hate Celest.

He hates Magnagora. His history's well defined and quite valid, including his family watching the Taint destroy the Spirits, corrupt a High Priest, and torture fae (not just kill, but torture).

Now the Taint is embodied in a city that actively seeks to spread it.

I think it's a rather valid point.

Uhm, who voted Aquamancers? And what were you thinking?

I do like how well you RP the part, your among the few extremely good RPers in the realm. Raan is agnostic. He tries to mantain a general respect between the Moondancers and the Serenguard in the intrest of keeping Seren unified, but he absolutely hates Merloch, mainly for his defending Celest right after they attacked the Fae.

He tries to maintain, of course some of the respect Merloch deserves of his position, but he also considers him more or less rabid.

Public opinion in Serenwilde was for quite some for Magnagora, and against New Celest. Why? Magnagora had a good leader, Chade. New Celest, attacked and killed innocent Fae. Chade played up on this. Not to mention the other things against New Celest, seeking to rebuild the old empire that created the taint, in their greed for power. The same greed that showed through when they slew the Fae.

As for Magnagora, they got a new leader. One not as entirely politically minded as Chade. He then drew them into a war, which had little outcome other then costing Magnagora 80k power. We are already back at our state prior to the war. Magnagora isn't. Not to mention, Daevos "betrayed" his own city, and then had the Demon Lords of Nil send their minions after him.

This has since shifted opinion against Magnagora. It was entirely Magnagora's fault now that Serenwilde is against them. Your observation is entirely incorrect Freya.