So do many other people. If you are outcitied/outcommuned, you lose access to abilities associated with that nexus. There is nothing wrong with those ranked above you, having control over your skills, the arts of the Guild that they themselves control.

POWERAIDES have control over you, that's like saying the mailman has control over your life.
So do not piss of the mailman, but safe for an extreme instance of mad mailman on a rampage or just a mailman that needs to have a crap and does not have any reachable appropriate paper , i'd say pretty safely, that most of us will have a pretty life without too much trouble with the mailman.


Lusternia is not a roleplay enforced mud. it's perfectly possible that some people logs on just to get their kicks and their fun, independantly of collective roleplaying background... they are those who i have called the gr1.
It's logical to assume that those who raise in guildrank, are those interested by the roleplaying background of their guild since they want to be involved.

And now, i would like people to stop to assume that the status in the game of character has any relation to the real individual who owns the character. Hence, the sense of responsabilty of a character is independent of the status of this character. And it is perfectly possible to have some highranked jerks or pushover that could do some pretty nasty damage when given the wrong powers.

And while some will try to impose their roleplay upon the gr1, this might not be to the liking of a handful of them since that could be not what they're looking for.

All right, i think that was the last attempt of Master Jedi Freya to explain her point of view on this.

I have no idea where the first part came from. The postman does not control whether I have fuel for half my most important skills. Nor does he do anything similar.

If someone plays lusternia to not rp and -just- to pk, then good luck to them.

Personally, Guilds are -supposed- to have power over guildmembers. So what if a Secretary has the ability to stop you from using a pact? A -power aide- can stop you from ever getting that pact easily.

The fact that Lusternia is made so that rogues get screwed over just emphasises my reasoning behind having this ability.

I'm sorry, Freya, but if you want to make a character to be hugged and snuggled, I'm told Hashan on Achaea is good for that.

If you want to join a guild and know for a fact that the guild leaders can control a lot of your skills (which makes -sense-) then play Lusternia.

Good Day.

Hashan isn't all snuggly. It's more of a collection of apathetic folks who think that's what being Neutral means. If you want snuggly, try the Druids.

On a more related note, I'm fine with abilities being linked and controlled by the organizations that gifted you with them. They trained you and they can hold sway over you as a result.

What? Hashan on achaea is full of apathetic folks who think being neutral means being snuggly?

How the mighty have fallen.

Meh, ok one last post
The stake is less about arguing an hypothetic skill than to share our point of view about the power and control in Lusternia.

First of all, Guild Rp is quite different from individual Rp. And quite surprisingly Rp is not the opposite of Pk. So if someone is not interested in guild Rp, it doesn't mean that he is bound to become some mad Pkiller on the loose.

If at least, Guild Rp was a place of free expression in which individual Rp would open up to new possiblities. But Guilds tend to become place of monolithic thought and power struggle and shadowy backstab.

And to be sure to smother any rebellious thought, there is the tactic of the essay. It's a good tactic. It allows the so called Rp guild representative to limit their Rp session to a minimum, while the noob is most likely to produce an unoriginal and unpersonnal essay on whatever subject it might be, so high his desire to please would probably be.

Personally, i would hate to write essays to get to my skills, and you know how much i like to argue and write posts.

What's the relation with essays and the type of repressive power we have been discussing with. It's simple , in a guild with a good Rp ratio, when people get to know eachother, forging sincere friendship.. That kind of power would be unnecessary.
It would only become a weapon of choice when the guild representative would become some unknow people looming here and about, logged every once in a while. The lack of ties between the guild members would perhaps, justify the use of this kind of power... and this .. i'm speaking only in the case of this tool being well and wisely used, a mere excuse for lazyness.

Sadly all of Achaea has become on big snuggle party...Ashtans channels are used for nothing but overused sex jokes, Mhaldor is rezzkilling lamers, Shallam is still...Shallam and Hashan has become a village due to it being so weak! Eleusis is still the money hungry tree abusers they always were with a new twist, they're ALSO emote whores! YAY! Cyrene isn't really anything..

Um, no. Looking back at what I said, I can see how you misconstrued it in that way. What I meant was that folks think that being Neutral means we're Apathetic towards the world. Really, it means you're free to do almost anything you like. It's different (and better) than Ashtan's anarchistic view of Freedom, but most folks don't grasp the idea.

The snuggly folks are mostly in the Druids and perhaps the Magi guilds, though you'll find them everywhere you go. Personally, I don't mind a little bit of emotion. If I get around folks that ALL they do is snuggle/lick/pounce/purr/whatever, I threaten them with violence. It rarely stops them, but I like hitting them when they don't stop then.

I used to love the druids, it sort of suited my personality quite a lot, snuggles and all. I wouldn't go back, though, it's just not the same as Lusternia quality RP.

I have found that those who feel the need to have overriding control of over other people's enjoyment in these games seem to seek that power because they lack power in their everyday life. Not everyone is this way, but enough of them are to cause problems for those who are not causing problems themselves.

I feel strongly that only the administration should have the power to limit someone’s acquisition and application of skills. The realm’s administration, on average, would have the best interest of the realm at heart. Giving that power to anyone else, increases the chances that said ability would be abused in multiple ways. Heck, I have seen certain discussions on this board about real scenarios that displayed the possible abuses.

Just because you are a leader in a guild, does not mean you should have the power over players that rightfully should only be in the hands of the game administration. It may sound like good role-play to players who desire that, but it is a very poor decision from a business perspective. If the actions of a person or group of people are disruptive to the game (i.e. disruptive to the generation of income, etc.), then I believe the administration will quickly take it upon themselves to rectify the problem.

So.. ignoring the fact it would make complete sense for a guildmaster to be able to strip a PACT (which is the only thing I wanted).

Stripping a pact hardly negates an entire skillset and, if you think that way, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Actually, the pact is made with the demon lord/Supernal, not the guildmaster. From a role-play perspective, you do not have the power to strip what you did not give. My statement is about skills period. No one, but the realm administration, should have the power to strip a person of a skill.

You seem to be very passionate about this, giving me the impression that you do fall into the category expressed in my first statement in my previous post.

You obviously have no idea about the Link the Guildmaster/Champion has with Nil then.

Let me show you:
He is the Heresiarch of the Midnight Legions in the Nihilists. (ie: he leads the armies of Nil)
He is the Fist of Luciphage in the Nihilists. (pretty self-explanatory?)

Hell, even a security member:
He holds the position of a Hand of Luciphage in the Nihilists.

I'm passionate about it because It makes sense, Geb. If you're going to try and make a case about why I don't like an idea by insulting my position OOC (and your reason is, personally, laughable) then just don't bother posting.

So far the only two 'reasons' behind not putting this idea in are "You'll be stifling the guildmember's roleplay" and "You're obviously an OOC control freak who has no control over anyone OOC at all."

Make a good case before you post your arguments, please.

Edit: Oh and, unless I'm completely mistaken, didn't excommunication stop an entire skillset from working on Achaea?

You are wrong Drago. Brona is the Mortal (using Mortal as in player, not Demon Lord kind of thing) of the Midnight Legions, Luciphage leads the Midnight Legions.

How does that make my point any less correct?

Here, I'll reword my idea for you:
The guildmaster should be able to approach the Demon Lords of Nil to have a pact stripped from a guild member.

Here, I'll make it more "fair":
A guildmember may only have a single pact stripped each month.

Now, to make it so they can't immediatly repact:
A stripped pact can not be remade for one month.

So, in summary:
The guildmaster should be able to approach the Demon Lords of Nil to have a pact stripped from a guild member. A guildmember may only have a single pact stripped each month. A stripped pact can not be remade for one month.

My position is that people abuse powers given to them. Giving one player the power to negatively effect the enjoyment of another in the realm, is not a good policy from a business standpoint. Just because it was possible in Achaea, does not make my point any less valid. You may feel your point is valid from a role-play perspective, but abuse is also a possibility. I feel the game would be best served by having the realm administration control how skills are acquired and used, not other players.

If you can come up with a way such power can be placed in the hands of another player without the possibility of it being abused, then I will reconsider my point. I seriously doubt you can devise away it can be done, so I believe my view on this subject will remain as it is.

Damn moondancer damage move is ruining my enjoyment. It should be taken out!

Seriously though, perhaps the avenger should not protect those who steal? You could "evoke condemnation (person)" on anyone who has stolen from you and they're unprotected by the avenger for a week or something.

I agree that single persons should not wield any power at all over a person's skills, since they spent hundreds of ooc dollars in it...just like in achaea excommunication had to be considered REALLY thoroughly, and since ousting someone completely ruins about all that person's skills, uncitizening should only be done in extreme cases, with the city patron's consent. Though there is one fact that makes it less harsh, changing city but remaining the same archetype, doesn't cost much lessons.

I'll just stop robbing people who go AFK in public places, problem solved, besides I have enough people who want to kill me to keep me entertained!