Duh... It's just weird, not screwy. They should count, though .

actually, Homosexuality was/is illegal. Only recently have people decided that they don't have the right to make laws on such things.

And instead of telling me I must be sick, please explain to me the difference. Two consenting adults decide to fall in love with eachother despite the social pressures not to.

And I don't think falling in love is all that random. It tends to be that two people who spend much time and effort on/with eachother will develop a bond that goes beyond friendship, especially if their biology entices them and helps push it along.

Ofcourse, lust, the urge to create babies, and Love are all very different things. Generally when all three things come together do you get a "True Love" secenario.

And if people have no choice, how does giving them a reward motivate them? How could anything motivate someone if they have no choice?

I can totally agree with that. It is absolutely impossible for anyone to keep his own religious ideals out of his decision making as well. That is why we have a Senate.


As for Nazism/Facism. It is a far right ideal. Just like Communism is far left. Every one has their extremes. Even my religion, which for now will remain unnamed, because I dont want to start an unnecessary fight, has had extremists, and I am willing to admit that. Muslims, Christians, Jews, doesnt matter. There are always those willing to kill others hiding behind their beliefs as a shield.

I refer you to this speech, if you have doubts that America has not done great deeds and has done the world Good, and if you hate Bush, read this speech, and think that this person breached the Constitution much more often then Bush has, and he is considered one of the greatest Presidents:



And I now refer you to one of my favourite FDR quotes, who, in this quote, 60 years before it happened, accurately explained what is wrong with America today:

But... A FIVE YEAR OLD, Silvanus. Yay for adults who didn't mind being locked up for the sake of their country (and would you REALLY? Honestly?), but a five year old, a threat to national security? Lovely. What will they think of next?

If you were 5 years old, and the Government decides to protect their country they take away your parents and two of your brothers who are 18 years old and 16 years old. They see you there, a 5 year old, living alone, would you rather go to a place where you get food and are not met with harsh conditions, or live in a foster family or get sent out to a boarding school?

And when you lock up the entire family into a camp, who do you propose takes care of that 5 year old?

I would imagine the best place for a child is to be with their parents, not some stranger who knows nothing of the child's past nor has intrest in their future. Especially considering that that child is now the child of the enemy and may one day grow up to be the enemy also. I wouldn't trust my children with people like that, not ever.

meh, you type too fast.

My most was 135 words per minute.

I can only type 43 wps, well, at least last time I checked... But I'm not a touch-typist.

question for mr Daganev:

If homosexuality is a choice, can you explain why anyone would want to be gay?
I can't. Looks like theres no reason they choose it... they must be crazy.

Whoa, crazyness is a mental condition! That they can't choose! So they didn't choose to be gay...


As for falling in love, you explained one way it can happen... but thats just one of the possibilities. Its not just black/white like that.


Sort of a hijack (my first one ever, i would like to think) -> What would you think of this situation: A canible kills a missionary to feed her starving child. Is the cannible doing a good thing? Shes saving her child. Is she doing a bad thing? She killed the missionary.

There are many reasons why a person might like to be gay or bi.
1) they enjoy the feeling of muscles
2) they feel that the best way to be intimiate with another person is through physical contact.
3) They find woman's clothing to always have the better designs and so wish to pursue a lifestyle where they think it will be more acceptable for them to wear that clothing.
4) They are horny and bored.
5) All the same reasons another person chooses to be with a person of the opposite sex but has no intention of ever being married to them or having children with them.

I don't think people are crazy just because they have a different aethsetic taste then I do. I'm a big fan of Gothy type clothing, tattoos and funky hairstyles. I choose not to dress in that clothing because A) I find spending so much money on "alternative" lifestyles to be counterproductive to the "cause". and B. I have a funny goal in life which includes getting a well paying job and not alienating the people around me.

as for the cannibal.. If you don't respect human life as being anything different than an animal life, then sure. But I don't think I'd be a big fan of living in the same society as a person who thinks humans are just another animal.

Again, just because a person has a mental condition does not mean they can't choose to overcome that condition. You would need to be SEVERELY handicapped for that to be true. Oh, and I would have to dissagree with Nementh a tiny winy bit about babies having choices. They may have choices, but they are in no way able to make good choices. For example... If you took a 2 day old lion and put it on a pedestool that was 20 feet in the air, that cub would not leave its perch.. a 2 day old human however would very quickly find itself falling 20 feet. That is because humans can choose, but babies don't make very good choices.



I have seen, heard and read many books, speakers, and programs about relationships, and marriage, and dating, and the like. ALL those programs have on thing in common, they suggest that your relationship, to succeed , requires time and effort and thinking on the part of both people, and a willingness to sacrifice for the other.

Sure a one night stand doesn't require you to put time or effort into a person, but then neither does hot apple pie.

To further deviate down this sidetrack... to me, none of those seem a plausible reason for someone to "choose" to be gay. 1 seems like an argument for bodybuilders, 2, 4 and 5 could apply to anyone, not dependent upon sexuality, and 3 covers cross-dressers (there is quite a difference between a cross-dresser and someone who's gay. Cross-dressers are more likely to be gay, but neither are necessarily true).

Why would someone choose to have sex with random people?

Why -wouldn't- a person choose to be gay?

persecution? breaks social norms? To me those are not reasons for someone to do, or not to do something. For some people that may be exactly the reason they choose to do it.

If you read the end of reason three, you will see I'm explanining why someone might make the leap from being a crossdresser to being gay.

Just because I have an urge, doesn't mean its not a choice to go ahead and do it.

To me, the only reason why homesexuality is even an issue, is because the people who worked for Women's rights and Civil liberties, realized their job was complete and looked for the next group to call a victim, or suffer a loss of job and lifestyle. I'm sure once homosexuals have special laws and protections, the same people will be working on giving pets and animals all the same liberties as people under the law. I mean, its really incencitive to make jokes about road kill isn't it? Your making jokes about the death of a lifeform! Or maybe we will be lucky, and by that time people who have religious faiths will be persecuted enough that they need ANOTHER clause in the constitution to protect them and allow them to get jobs in universities.

Wow, I read it all.

1) Ok, way too many of you people don't know the difference between an economic, and a political theory.

2) I hate that Daganev, and Nementh, seem to be the only people able to form a readable/logical argument here.

Alrighty, now onto my opinion.

1) George Bush. He was elected because more than 50% wanted him to be president. This means anyone here complaining is nothing but a grumbling minority. Shock horror, you are not! In fact, George is a widely disliked leader, in the US and abroad. In fact, you are just a stupid minority, who hasn't realised that maybe the problem is with your system of government, and worked on changing that (instead spending your time bitching on various internet sites). I am sure with the support of the number of people in the US who do not support Bush, you could find a better way to represent the people.

2) Michael Moore. Spoon feeding liberal opinions to teenages since 1995. It's thanks to Moore that I have had the priviledge of arguing moot points with retarded tape recorder like wanna-be-hippie rejects for the last few years.

3) There is not enough commodities in the world. African third world countries -are- increasing jurastically in population, and there -has- to be poor people for you to be rich. If wealth was spread, the third world countries would not be fed, you would just be starving as well.

4) Oil reserves will hold for our lifetimes at least. Currently the middle east will be able to provide oil for the next 40 years. However the middle east is not the largest stockpile of oil. In fact there are massive amounts in north america, it just needs to be refined from sand.

5) Homosexuality as far as my experience has shown me is -not- a choice. Yes, I will agree, it is a choice to engage in the a homosexual act (but then the reverse is also true). But the gender you are attracted to is not. As far as scientific evidence shows, homosexuals have a greater amount of various hormones in their brain. From what I have been told, it is as disgusting for them to have sex with the opposite sex, as it is for a straight person to be with someone of the same sex (This of course is disregarding bisexuals).

6) If the Iraqi people did not like Sadam they would have over thrown him.

You people remind me of the film Clerks. When Dante says when he was a kid, he would rather shit his pants then lift the seat to sit on the toilet. So many americans sit around complaining about George Bush. But how many americans don't vote? How many americans are content to just vote in a system that elects someone so disliked, and then complain later than change it?

Do the world a favour america, and elect the most apathetic president you can, the world -will- change without your help.

points 1 and 2 I can't really argue with, point 3, I think is a false. Yes, for somebody to be labeled "rich" someone else has to be "poor" but poor does not have to mean starving to death. The average homeless person in America has almost 10 times as much wealth as the average person living in Etheopia.

Time and time again, people have shown that wealth is not a zero sum game. Commodities can be recycled, and when you run out of tin, you use aluminum, when you run out of aluminum you use hybrid plastics. People have claimed the world is going to lose all its recourses by the 1990s, in the late 60s.

For point 5, there are numerous behaviours that people have that are accounted for by the existance of hormones in people's brains. That does not mean a society has to accept that behaviour as something they want to continue. A large number of male criminals are found to have XYY instead of just XY genes. Also, I wonder how many people who are homosexual are also indeed bisexual.

And lets just make this point clear, there is a difference between being protected by such things as Hate Crimes, and being given status as a Married couple.

as for point 6, Iraqis did try to over thrown Sadam, and they got mowed down like a grassy field. To say that people can easily overthrow a tyrant that is not based thousands of miles away, is just naive in my opinion.

And yes the world will change, but I don't think America wants to be the only country left in the world that speaks its "native" language. (yes I know english is not the native language of America, so I put it in quotes so you get what I mean)

I'll be brief, and attempt to ignore the (many) logical fallacies prevalent in this thread.

These aren't arguments, or proofs, or anything - just opinions.

I don't believe homosexuality is a choice. I certainly didn't make a conscious decision to like women or not like men sexually.

I dislike Bush, and believe he is "the devil" (and yes, I voted for Kerry). He's an idiot with a very good PR team. The argument that what he did after 9/11 makes him a great man... I would definitely place betting money that Al Gore would have done just as well in 'repairing the nation' - just, perhaps he wouldn't have rushed into two wars without so much as a second thought.

Rightio. If you can get me aroused by the opposite sex I will believe every single word you've coughed up so far. Until then...ugh no. Just shoosh.

There are two entites that can remove a President from office. One is Congress the other is the public. I take it no one who has complained so far is a member of Congress so we would fall into catagory two. If I remember correctly to recall a President you must petition two thirds of those who voted to remove him from office. Seeing as how more than fifty percent voted for him, this isnt very likely, but lets say this happened. It then goes public and a vote must then be held on wether to remove him or her. If he is voted to be removed another election must be held to vote for a new President. This process would take approximately 3 years. All the while he would still remain President until the new one is sworn in. People seem to forget that people actually wanted Bush as President. Generally the losing side is going to be pissed. We will complain knowing nothing can be done unless he screws up royaly.

I'm under the impression that most people who are thrown into jail and end up raping men did not enter there gay.